why do people want to eliminate borders and nationalism?

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[–]JohnRaymond 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The naive, hopelessly stupid who are blinded by deceptions of communism cite the "noble" reasons. No more war! That's right. They will be able to slaughter at will. And hopefully the naive commie traitors will be the first to go... As they would richly deserve

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is the inverse of communism, though it will likely have similar totalitarian results. In communism you have no market economy, and the 'public' (the government) own the means of production. This is literally the opposite of the WEF agenda, they LOVE market economies and LOVE private capital. They want to do away with individual states, and have a private corporate elite alliance ruling the world. This is pure hyper-capitalism. Communists worship the state and nationalism, they do NOT want to eliminate borders and are intensely nationalistic, look at any historical example, China, USSR, Cuba, etc

What is similar in concept is that both of these ideologies want to combine all the economic and governmental powers into one body - The state with communism, and the private corporation alliance in WEF style globalism, and historically doing so leads to tremendously oppressive conditions

[–]JohnRaymond 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To Hong K: You are defining communism as they would want you to believe. Communists are militant atheists and they don't want to redistribute wealth to you. They want one world gvt... And want you and me dead, or in slave camp

[–]panel30[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and historically doing so leads to tremendously oppressive conditions

are there any ways that have worked to avoid the oppressive situation in the past? especially nonviolent (may as well start there if it works then that's nice to be able to do it that way)?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As far as I am aware, combining powers has always led to oppression. You have left-wing communists, and right-wing fascists both attempt to combine the powers of government and economic production and fail. This also seems to hold true in the past when the issue was more the state and the church - separating these entities was of paramount importance to establishing some manner of liberty in the U.S. We took this idea even further and separated the government powers into 3 branches, and even delegated some powers to the states, counties, and cities.

I am unaware of any historical examples where combining powers like this in one body has not led to more rather than less authoritarian conditions, though perhaps some exceptions to this rule exist, as I am not the worlds best historian by any means