transmed vs GC debates issues

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-23T04:04:20+00:00

Horrific that they could be real and be allowed in a change room with women

I'm safe even in the stupid GC concerns: I have SRS, and physically can't not be sexual predator. Also I was safe even before SRS, I'm straight, I feel attraction and can fall in love only with males. And of cource, it's stupid concerns. I much more safe even with a lot of cisgirls. One of my previous employers had call center in the office. Call center had a senior guy, which technically was second head in this department. I even not liked him as boy, but girls in the call center - they liked. We often drink tea together. So, #itNeverHappen: I received treats from one girl from the call center: she was stupid enough to sent me email in the corporation email box: "f*ck him off! Or I'll meet you with friends and we stab you". Because she was stupid to send this in the corporate email, they fired you. But, of course, with males it happened more often: in school before transition, and later, after transition when I passed: my first boyfriend beat me and I not understood in that time that it's wrong. Also it was a rape attempt later. I believe, I can't do harm anybody. I can't psychologically. But your idea that only AMAB can do this is really funny.

misogyny It's not me. But it's my former manager - when I worked for another employer, she love to torture me and another girl in the team. Also we're both had the smallest salary in the team. When she hired me, she lied me, that my salary is above average in the team.

Stop demonize me and other transsexuals (transwoman with gender dysphoria in the past). We're mostly progressive, we often support female rights, especially if we're stealth, because they're applicable for us too, and we're not a treat for cis females. Stop attempts to split us and assign to untermensch group. Stop promote ideas which can lead to millions of transgender suicides. Fight patriarchy, not innocent TW (of cource, I don't speak about self-proclamed as woman sex predators like Jessica Yaniv)

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-23T01:54:59+00:00

The narcissism...

What do make you think this way?

What about women’s lives?

I support it

What about women who would rather die than share a rape shelter with a male?

Could you pls share amount of cis-womans who was killed(or, at least, raped) in the shelter by transgender woman who was properly diagnosted having gender dysphoria, not self-proclaimed gender and other QT shit, like Jessica Yaniv, which real transwoman and transmed never supported: https://youtu.be/viObi3_K5P0 ? Also, do you understand, that lesbi couples reports a lot of sexual abuse, as well as woman prisons?

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-23T01:35:48+00:00

Okay... let’s say it’s a bio-social contract (🙄)

OKay

That doesn’t mean that trans people get to decide where they fit in to it.

I'm fit. My neighbors, friends, and almost everybody in my life think that I'm cis straight female. I'm even more fit than cis-lesbi-separatists which is not fit with biggest part of society. It doesn't mean that I'm against lesbi at all. I'm progressive and I support LGBT rights.

Most people think transwomen are men

Most people think that covid is not exist, or that HIV+ people are dangerous for them even if they walk around. Democracy is not about withdraw human rights of one or another minority - you can always find a new minorities. Almost everybody could be force divided from other people by one or another criteria (created by hate groups) and assigned to untermensch. Do not do this. Stop.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-23T01:21:24+00:00

only radfem do not consider me as female. And even part of radfems are not MtF exclusive, and agree that after transition we could get female socialization(yes, for radfem female socialization is trauma, but if you're MtF with gender dysphoria you simple don't have a choice), and could be considered as category which should be protected and as ally against patriarchy.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-23T01:13:22+00:00

Yeah, exactly. I was ready to share things like photo with timestamp of my SRS certificate (but delete name, date, etc) from Thailand clinic, and other things like this. But not in the topic, in the DM, after promise to not save it, share for other people and publicly, etc. It's probably not way how you can somebody hostile doxxing my real identity.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T21:40:16+00:00

I don't believe in your answer, sorry. Maybe it's paranoia, but in my case I should be careful, and better to overestimate a treat, instead of underestimate

You are linking Canadian researches

It's not true. A linked different researches

speaking about Canadian sutff

I was not. Not here. In discord - yes.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T21:09:31+00:00

Actually. You are Canadian, right?

Why are you trying to doxxing me? Should I feel a fear? Is it treat? Could you pls write in the DM and explain how you got this information and why are you wrote it here? (or I will consider it as real treat from you and ask moderators about protection. Not sure BTW if they could help here or if mods are going to protect anybody else, not GC), why you do investigation about me and share this here? Maybe we even discussed in discord together 1:1 or in server, but it's not a point to share what you learn from me in the public platforms like saidit. I'm working to isolate my digital ID as transgender woman from ID as just female, but I could make a mistake at once.

As far as I know, the biggest part of outings was performed by one LGBT members against other. So, we're both LGBT, and I should be really careful about you.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T20:53:43+00:00

"Female" and "male" brain is complete BS, thought. Unless you mean that all gnc men and gay men are having female brains too, lol.

We can discuss it in the another topic if you're not against. I want to focus in the another topic

But it is what GC are opposing against.

I don't care about it. You can do this. We can even trade, and than transmed supports you here

Why are you thinking GC will hurt you? You are saying yourself.

You're going to destroy my life if get political power - you don't care about stealth transgenders, and going to convert us into freaks, clowns, like jew with David's star in the Nazi state. I have female socialization and nobody knows, if you force change gender marker in my id, and/or add here a sex, assigned at the birth, it destroys my life as well
my personal life could be much easy if I receive hormonal blockers when I was teen and if I got protection against conservative parents and reparation therapy

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T20:46:03+00:00

it's not how it works, sorry: it's point of view of GC. Even part of radfem not TW-exclusive. So, you can't speak about other branches of feminism.

Transgender woman= man

GC always confuse transmed with tucute/QT. Well, I'm not deny biological reality. Yes: I'm biological male with brain which was developed in womb with lack of testosterone, with artificial female body(thx hormones and surgery), and female socialization. So, finally, because I'm stealth, I was disciminated as female several times. GC usually deny this. You can say that it's my fault - I transitioned, but it's not what I choose. I choose between step in the window and transition. Like you, I never choosed to not was born as, for example, white cisgender male in the Sweden, and have rich parents - it could be nice. Istead of it, I was born as disabled person (cause of sex dysphoria), and had very long trip to solve this issues. Finally I have same issues with patriarchy as a lot of ciswomens has. I even experience right now a reproductive pressure: my mom-in-law said me recently, that safe sex is sin It's finally reasons, why other feminist branches includes TW

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T20:16:35+00:00

You’re absolutely not a fucking feminist.

Feminism is not only radfem, sorry

You’re a men’s rights activist through and through

No, I'm transmed activists, and I want to just live my silent female life, not more. If GC abandon their idea to destroy stealth of transgender womans, I will never return, just will live my small silent life.

Or your a troll. Idk.

No, I can proof that I'm actually transgender woman. You should publicly promise to not disclose my proofs(I'll try to make them anonymous, but I can do mistakes...) and not shared it anybody, etc.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T20:12:55+00:00

There are. About 0.5-1% of World population are truscam transgenders (transsexuals). With future medical technology, all of them will have ability to go into stealth, because about everybody could be able to passed

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T20:04:40+00:00

So you want to be written as "female" and receive incorrect treatment?

Exactly, it's my life and my risks. It's not your business

why you want a lot of women and transwomen to die due to mistreatment?

I'm ok if transwoman, if wants, indicate that she is not cis. Just let us decide

How is it fair to put Caitlyn into women's category?

It's not fair at all. Do not let trans woman play in sport. I don't care about it. It's Queer Theory and SJW shit, not related to my female fake life at all. Transmed accept bilogical reality: I'm biological male with partly female brain, female socialization, with artificial female body. I should not play in the woman sport, it could be unfair

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T20:00:51+00:00

Stop. Comparing. Yourself. To Holocaust victims.

Sorry, I will not stop. I understand, it triggers GC as well. Nobody want to be reason of Massacre. But it's main point of my thread: you're just avoiding this true, and ban when I explain why it comparable. It's just happened in the discord server - this censorship. It's exactly idea of this thread. Discuss it, do not censor it.

I’m not forcing you to commit suicide

Well, you actually are. You're going to destroy my stealth and life.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T19:56:29+00:00

Oh, it is even lower

Check it more careful

Can you not appropriate LGB termins?

LGB-split T was designed just couple of years ago. conversion therapy exists much longer as therm. It always used against gender dysphoria too.

There a lot of proofs. And with "Self-ID" - any man can do this, they don't need to be trans, just declare and go, at any moment, no effort needed.

It's what exactly I said

They just wanted to live silent, so no one was noticing them, no one giving them special attention, just silent lives and everyone doing their own stuff, and this movement robbed them from this. So they are angry and screaming about this issues on a front line. Why you aren't? Why you came to GC, who are silenced and deplatformed, and telling to us to be kind and not to hurt you? It is men who are mostly attacking transwomen, it is mostly "trans allies" and "gender movement" who are not letting you live as you are - why coming on us, other victims, who are even more powerless than you?

Yeah, it's exactly about me. I want to live my female life silent.

Why you came to GC,

I feel a fear. You can never imagine what am I really had in the life. It was hell in the Earth. And I was just prey, I did nothing wrong, I was innocent. I should not pass this shit which happened in my life. GC is hate group which going to kill me (indirrect, but it's not matter for GC) if get a political power, and you even don't care about it.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T19:48:56+00:00

P. You force entry into groups that you don’t belong in.

It's non-inclusive logic, which was applied to jew in the nazi state

Nobody is sending you to a gas chamber.

You're just going to kills us all triggering millions of suicides and don't worry about it at all

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T19:45:47+00:00

Do proper tests in sport. I don't understand why valid trangender with dysphoria could go to the, for example, Arm wrestling. It's not about my rights. I don't care about sport at all. Just want to live my own life and not feel fear that GC destroy it and kill me

healthcare

It's my business and my risks. Do not interfere here. If you speak about teens with proper diagnosted gender dysphoria on hormonal blockers - okay, don't change them birth certificate until 18. Reasonable for them to get proper treatment. If somebody wants, he/she could be able to show for medical records sex, assigned at the birth. Otherwise, let people be stealth

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T19:35:43+00:00

I'm not. I personally did nothing wrong in my life. Even was not charged any fines by government. Always followed law. But was discriminated a lot of times before transition, and even a little bit as female (I'm stealth) later. I'm feminist myself (postfem and intersectionality feminist) So, I'm possible ally against toxic masculinity and a lot of patriarchy issues.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T19:31:47+00:00

I'm QC: critic of queer theory. But gender exists, it's bio-social contract

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T19:28:30+00:00

Copy/paste from another thread with same concerns:

"you have no justification to lying on legal documents, everybody should to know, that you're jew". And having female look and male sex in the ID, it's like beeing clown and freak. Like not other people. You force split us into another group, like jew was forced to splitted to another group in the nazi state. Don't do this. I don't ask to move you into ghetto, why you want to do it with me? Are you really believe, that it make you life better?

It’s not your past. It’s your present reality. It wouldn’t be a rumor, it would be true.

What are you talking about? I integrated in the society as female. And nobody knows. Why do you want to destroy my life? What is it? Lack of empathy? Or maybe you're just hate group - what are you trying to deny?

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T19:20:33+00:00

Why don’t suicide rates drop post transition?

It's not true. This is meta research: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

You can’t change sex. Gender is a social construct, society doesn’t see you as the sex/gender you wish you were, so there’s no justification for lying on legal documents.

Gender is bio-social constract, we can have additional discussion about this topic

so there’s no justification for lying on legal documents

"you have no justification to lying on legal documents, everybody should to know, that you're jew". And having female look and male sex in the ID, it's like beeing clown and freak. Like not other people. You force split us into another group, like jew was forced to splitted to another group in the nazi state. Don't do this. I don't ask to move you into ghetto, why you want to do it with me? Are you really believe, that it make you life better?

It’s not your past. It’s your present reality. It wouldn’t be a rumor, it would be true.

What are you talking about? I integrated in the society as female. And nobody knows. Why do you want to destroy my life? What is it? Lack of empathy? Or maybe you're just hate group - what are you trying to deny?

think perhaps it’s you that gets triggered.

No, GC was triggered. Nobody wants to feel triggered massacre. 3rd Reich citizens didn't know - mostly - about gas cameras. So, you're trying to ignore fact what happen with us if you enforce what you want ignoring our lifes and vital interests

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T19:10:04+00:00

Why are you still using that suicide statistics of poll of 27 transgender people where 13 answered that either attempted or thought of attempting?

Look in this: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26032733/

As with other suicides - males (gay men and transwomen) are succeeding more often that females

because if you can't achieve pass, your gender dysphoria not go out. So, for MtF is more difficult to achieve pass, especially without hormonal blockers in teen age

And it is lies about 1% detrans people, there much more detransitioneers appearing now

It's what exactly I said: it's issue which was triggered by queer theorists with they ideas to cancel gatekeeping and ability to self-proclaim youself as female, male, or female helicopter (sic), and no dysphoria requires to be a valid transgender.

A lot of gay people have dysphoria or body dysmorphia early in life

I had small dysphoria since I was 6 years old, and very strong after my ~11, which caused 1.5 suicide attempts (the first one was not really real, I had intention to worry my parents. But I understood that I could die, and it was also possible solution for me in that time). I transitioned at first time in 17, but later was force detransed by parrents, also they forced in me conversion therapy. I can't describe how bad it was. I have PTSR after it finally (also after bulling in school and after rape attempt after transition) - very painful flashbacks. So, conversion therapy did nothing with my dysphoria, it was much worse when forced detransed. Later I escaped, and make transition again, and finally I didn't have dysphoria, I live in the steath, my employer, husband's parrents, his friends, etc don't know about my transstatus, and I'm happy (of course, I have problems, but... Not life/death question which I had before)

And by Tavistocks own data - at least 50-66% of girls who went on blockers and testosterone hgad reasoning "I am loving other girls, I must be a boy then".

This is all issues of not proper gatekeeping, which we had in the past. Personally me - I had 2 years test by real life before I got my F64.0, and a lot of visits to the clinic for tests, etc.

But the problem is that YOU interfere with our lives,

I'm not. There are no proofs that sex predators really exists in not self-proclaimed "womans" - what is Queer theory issue. Not an issue of valid transgender girls. Also don't forget that it was a lot of issues reported, like violation, etc in the lesbi couples, as well as in the woman prisons. But nobody consider an idea to not let lesbi go into woman spaces.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T18:41:14+00:00

Look, we don't tell you what you have to do in your personal life. We have scientific proofs that what we do is really required and it's question of life/death. We need nothing from GC. Just don't forbid us the only possible and proofed treatment - transition. Nothing else is works. I personally had a terrible experience of conversation therapy, and yes, it never worked. Scientists tried it about 50 years or so, there are no proofs that it ever worked. No transmed tell you what you have to do. You have a lot of issues with self-proclaimed womans like Jessica Yaniv, and we, truscam/transmed even possible ally against them. I personally don't want to see people like she (I wanted to misgender, but local rules forbid this) in the bathroom around me - it scare me too. I expirienced rape attempt.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T18:37:44+00:00

When transition was gatekeeped? Do you mean when it was not possible to get hormone therapy below the age of adulthood? When has transition been gatekeeped but allowed to teenagers?

It was always gatekeeped before QT forced their idea to self-proclaimed gender and now it's easy to change gender marker in the ID, especially for adults, even not having gender dysphoria

what is FFS?

Just google it. Tl;dr: it's surgery in the bones of face. Example: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/23/71/e9/2371e9bc1a0d0b22afa2b3ad8dec683e.jpg If you gott hormonal blockers when you was a teen, you don't need FFS. If you don't, you often need it

Well, what I'm "not" is a believer in trying to grant those wishes just because they're desired.

I think, GC mostly have by unknown reason lack of empathy and can't imagine real life of transwoman and issues which she faced, and why it happened. I think, it could be reason why you so easy suggest something what can triggers millions of deaths and don't worry about it. If you agree that it's possible, how do you think we could solve this problem? How to properly tell about this experience? Especially to be understandable for GC? I want to, but I don't know how.

From what I understand the suicide rate does not go down after transition

It's not true. This is meta research: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T18:23:49+00:00

We don't need anything from you, girls, guys (like FtMs - I seen couple of FtMs who actually transitioned, but still stay in GC community), etc. Just don't interfere, and do your own business. Pls do not cross our red lines. We even can be ally against QT and sex predators like Jessica Yaniv, who is not valid transgenders, but issue of self-identify proclaimed gender - idea of QT. If you cross, you can trigger a millions of deaths, yes. Pls do not ignore this.

pippiTheLongstocki · 2021-03-22T15:00:26+00:00

so waiting until someone is 18 is not radical.

Than, later to achieve pass you often need dangerous and very expansive surgery like FFS. It make things really more worse.

How can you be sure you "properly diagnose" dysphoria when someone is still developing?

When transition was gatekeeped, it was about 1% of detrans cases or even less. Compare it about 45% of suicide rate attempts. I think, using modern technologies, if proper gatekeeping, we can drop detrans cases to 0.5% or even less. Right now we see a lot of detrans cases because of QT and their "self-claim gender" concept won. But it's not transmed/truscam issue

It seems important in emergencies

Let us decide what we need and what we don't need pls. Do not interfere in our life. It's not GC expirience, it's our expirience. Beeing stealth is human rights

I understand wishing for things

Sorry, but looks like you're not

It is not a massacre, and no one is responsible for someone else's self harm

Yeah. It's is exactly GC position. When I tried to explain why GC is wrong, and it is exactly massacre, I usually got a ban. Does this space free speech enough to do this? Could mods pls confirm this?

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