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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

It was a little hard to follow, but this is what stuck out to me:

“But also I found it's very difficult to debate GC beeing transmed“

I feel like transmed thinks that because they aren’t as extreme or as unreasonable as qt, that gc should see them as the “right kind” of trans and be willing to compromise with them. Women shouldn’t have to compromise on their rights, spaces, or what it means to be a woman just because you aren’t as annoying and are slightly more rational.

“The problem is that GC is not used to know transmed position.“

We (or at least I and the other gc here) know it, that doesn’t mean we agree with it.

“We, transmed, usually claim that transition is proper treatment for truscam transgenders, and not healing gender dysphoria leads to commit to suicide.”

Why don’t suicide rates drop post transition? I don’t care what adults do to their bodies, so if transition helps adults, do whatever you want. I care that trans people seem to think that those of us who aren’t trans are obligated to participate in their transition. Take all the hormones you want, get all the surgeries you want, change your name, wear what you want- just don’t demand that I call a male a woman or a female a man, and leave my rights, spaces, and sports alone. If you can’t do those things, what does it matter that you’re transmed? You’re still causing and contributing to the same issues for women that qt causes.

“no hormonal blockers for teens, even if gender dysphoria was proper diagnosted”

They aren’t adults. They can’t give consent. Someone else already addressed this, so I’ll just say I agree with them.

“change gender markers in the ID cards back to sex at the birth”

You can’t change sex. Gender is a social construct, society doesn’t see you as the sex/gender you wish you were, so there’s no justification for lying on legal documents. If you want to end up in a hospital and receive improper treatment because you chose to lie on legal documents, at this point I feel like that’s on you and idgaf, but that puts the doctors who treat you and the hospital at risk if something goes wrong- that’s unfair.

“It could lead for millions of deaths.”

So could lying on legal documents. But also- gc isn’t forcing suicide on you, nor are we murdering you or encouraging others to murder you. We are not directly or indirectly responsible for the lives (or deaths) of trans people. Various mental illnesses are rampant in the trans community, even post transition there’s a high level of suicide. And trans people aren’t getting killed anywhere near the same rate as other demographics, even taking into consideration how low the trans population is.

“ like adding in goverment-issued ID sex at the birth and leave a gender marker,”

I would never suggest this. Male is male. Female is female. Deal with it imo

“but it could not work if you're truscam, and transitioned because of gender dysphoria”

  1. Lol at the “scam” part being a typo but also accurate

  2. So it doesn’t work because of the mental illness you have that isn’t effectively being treated?

“especially if you're stealth - you do not disclose your past. Rumors are fast, and implementing this suggestion simply destroy millions of life.”

In other words “being honest with other people would ruin my life so I’d rather you agree to make it even easier for me to lie”

It’s not your past. It’s your present reality. It wouldn’t be a rumor, it would be true.

“So, highlighting this issue different ways, including way to compare this approach to Yellow-star on jew in Nazi state, I was banned several times“

Probably because you advocate for letting people lie on legal documents and not disclose information that would matter to some people (idk how hard you stealth, but if you’re not telling sexual partners you’re a rapist in my eyes), but then have the audacity to compare it to the Holocaust. I don’t understand why trans people constantly compare themselves to groups of people who have endured suffering they won’t ever come close to. It’s probably due to a lack of self awareness and narcissistic self importance.

“I was banned several times. Looks like it's very difficult to share opinion, if it's so trigger GC.“

I think perhaps it’s you that gets triggered. GC lives in the real world and wants to keep things honest and fair to females. You want us to make it easier for you to undermine our rights and for you to lie to others.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I feel like transmed thinks that because they aren’t as extreme or as unreasonable as qt

Depends I'd say.

Transmed are transsexuals?

If yes, then /u/peakingatthemoment is decently reasonable. Almost all transsexual people I know (around 5 in life and up to 10-15 in internet) are all GC themselves. I wonder how angry they would be from this thread, as it is almost opposite of what they saying.

And many of them (transsexual males) are actually carying about transmen as well, not like your regular trans activists, who only thinking about transwomen's position and applying it to all transgender people, while transmen need almost opposite treatment to transwomen.

If no - and you mean that weird subreddit what is filled with transvestites on hormones and some weird transsexuals - then yeah, they are sometimes even more bizzare than just regular anti-medicalization transgenders.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I guess I’m separating transmed from transmed people who are also gc.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

I'm QC: critic of queer theory. But gender exists, it's bio-social contract

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Okay... let’s say it’s a bio-social contract (🙄). That doesn’t mean that trans people get to decide where they fit in to it. Society decides that- not the smallest percentage of society. Most people think transwomen are men, and transmen are women. If that wasn’t the case, the discussions here wouldn’t be happening, and all the tra rhetoric wouldn’t exist because there’d be no need for it. So why is it that, despite the “bio-social contract” classifying you as a man, you think you deserve access to female spaces and to call yourself a woman? You’re breaking the contract.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

Okay... let’s say it’s a bio-social contract (🙄)

OKay

That doesn’t mean that trans people get to decide where they fit in to it.

I'm fit. My neighbors, friends, and almost everybody in my life think that I'm cis straight female. I'm even more fit than cis-lesbi-separatists which is not fit with biggest part of society. It doesn't mean that I'm against lesbi at all. I'm progressive and I support LGBT rights.

Most people think transwomen are men

Most people think that covid is not exist, or that HIV+ people are dangerous for them even if they walk around. Democracy is not about withdraw human rights of one or another minority - you can always find a new minorities. Almost everybody could be force divided from other people by one or another criteria (created by hate groups) and assigned to untermensch. Do not do this. Stop.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Did you just claim you’re more woman that lesbians?

Cut the nazi shit out. It’s insanely belittling to actual Holocaust victims.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I love how they make statements like “I support lgbt rights” or “I’m an ally for feminists against patriarchy” then proceed to make homophobic and misogynistic comment after comment. I’m really starting to think this is troll, I hope that’s the case because the idea that someone like this could really exist and is really invading our spaces regularly is kind of terrifying. That’s the thing, TW don’t have to be dangerous to make women uncomfortable, I don’t know why so many don’t understand that.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Idk about troll this time. I want to but this is honestly a lot of the shit that’s thrown around genuinely by transwomen from Reddit.
I’ve lost the line between parody and the real thing.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That’s true. It was just wishful thinking on my part, I guess.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being fit has nothing to do with it

Most people seem to understand that covid is a real thing, since we’ve been fucking quarantined for over a year

HIV myths have been debunked and general understanding of the AIDS/HIV has been readily accessible for 20 years

Eta: Also- people not knowing provable things doesn’t mean that facts aren’t still facts. I’m not going to speculate on your passability, it doesn’t matter. You can fool who you fool (if you really do, but I suspect the things you say may clue them in even if you do actually look female), it doesn’t make you a woman.

And even if the covid and hiv stuff was accurate- has nothing to do with transwomen being female or male

Transwomen aren’t minorities, but let’s pretend they are- that doesn’t make them women. It would literally mean that they aren’t. Humans are male and female, men are male, women are female, it’s a natural divide that has nothing to do with hatred, it’s about biology. Women and transwomen aren’t the same. Stop forcing yourself on us. Leave women the fuck alone. And our spaces, too.