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[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

look in this

11.2 % attempted suicide

Oh, it is even lower in Canada than in USA. And boviously that less hatred surrounding person will improve situation. Not sure what exactly it has to do with double mastectomy on 13 years old girls, thought.

and no dysphoria requires to be a valid transgender.

And how exactly it is a good thing? It is anti-gnc, hurts transsexual people, hurt lesbians and gays, hurt women's rights. And it does not help actual transsexual or dysphoric people who are in distress. I see only minuses in this.

conversion therapy

Can you not appropriate LGB termins? Especially considering that forced transing is very common anti-gay conversion therapy. And I know personally few people who lived through it and still hugely regreting it - but there no way back, they were forced through surgery and hormonal therapies.

And not sure what your case here have to do with homosexual kids. People were telling me that lesbianism do not exist, I married a man in tries to "cure" myself, sexologist just told that I am frigid because I can't get aroused by males at all (including transwomen), I was beaten for being lesbian, I was fired from a job when director saw me dating a woman, I tried for years to "pass a man" in hopes that it will stop hate. And in early childhood I only saw hetero couples as well, so I was thinking whole my childhood that something is wrong with me, I was so strongly leaning to girls, but I knew that only boys were liking girls and that girl can't be with girl - it is dangerous and people hate it. I hated myself so much for not being a boy. And I know a lot of lesbians and especially gay boys with similar periods in their lives. Telling them that "just transition to straight" is a conversion therapy and very harmful. None of us are trans, none of us is actully dysphoric. Yet you are proposing to transition all of us because of our internalized homophobia and our wish to be "normal". We should instead promote being GNC, promote homosexual relationship, show kids and youth that it is normal to be a man in dress or to be butch lesbian, that it is fine to love and live with person of same sex as you. And not "yeah, you are really a boy, go transition. Don't be GNC - transition too!" as you proposing. Your "solution" will only increase amount of kids in distress, GNC-kids and homosexual kids would be expecially susseptive and especially stressed.

We should clearly find how to separate the minority of people in distress because "they are trans" from majority of just gnc or homosexual people. USA statistics showed that amount of lesbians decreased but amount of transmen rapidly raised. It tells a lot, at least to me. And again, you are completely ignoring transmen, who need almost opposite treatment than transwomen.

There are no proofs that sex predators really exists in not self-proclaimed "womans" - what is Queer theory issue.

There a lot of proofs. And with "Self-ID" - any man can do this, they don't need to be trans, just declare and go, at any moment, no effort needed.

Not an issue of valid transgender girls.

It is. You are being silent while in your name all this BS is happening. In your name's hundred of women and kids are hurt, and non-trans predators attacking women and men are doing that in your name, calling themselves as you. Why are you silent about those issues? You should be the first to cry about this, that "IT IS NOT WE!" and clearly separate the line between you and them. It is not GC who should be saying this, it is your problem in the first place.

So many transsexuals I know are mad at this movement. Previously even those who passed not really well - were still feeling fine being unnoticed and being fine. But after this TRA movement - they are all time called either pronouns, or they are noticed as not passing well and called "you are like those 50 men who just walked in female spaces without even trying?". They just wanted to live silent, so no one was noticing them, no one giving them special attention, just silent lives and everyone doing their own stuff, and this movement robbed them from this. So they are angry and screaming about this issues on a front line. Why you aren't? Why you came to GC, who are silenced and deplatformed, and telling to us to be kind and not to hurt you? It is men who are mostly attacking transwomen, it is mostly "trans allies" and "gender movement" who are not letting you live as you are - why coming on us, other victims, who are even more powerless than you?

(girl is young human, wtf on using this word, lol)

This is all issues of not proper gatekeeping, which we had in the past. Personally me - I had 2 years test by real life before I got my F64.0, and a lot of visits to the clinic for tests, etc.

Well, Trans movement completely removing it. And GC are against this. Have you noticed that GC movement appeared not when transsexuals appeared, but when this BS started and started to strip women from our rights, spaces and started to attack LGB youth?

Queer

This word is still used as a slur in many places in the world, by the way.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

Oh, it is even lower

Check it more careful

Can you not appropriate LGB termins?

LGB-split T was designed just couple of years ago. conversion therapy exists much longer as therm. It always used against gender dysphoria too.

There a lot of proofs. And with "Self-ID" - any man can do this, they don't need to be trans, just declare and go, at any moment, no effort needed.

It's what exactly I said

They just wanted to live silent, so no one was noticing them, no one giving them special attention, just silent lives and everyone doing their own stuff, and this movement robbed them from this. So they are angry and screaming about this issues on a front line. Why you aren't? Why you came to GC, who are silenced and deplatformed, and telling to us to be kind and not to hurt you? It is men who are mostly attacking transwomen, it is mostly "trans allies" and "gender movement" who are not letting you live as you are - why coming on us, other victims, who are even more powerless than you?

Yeah, it's exactly about me. I want to live my female life silent.

Why you came to GC,

I feel a fear. You can never imagine what am I really had in the life. It was hell in the Earth. And I was just prey, I did nothing wrong, I was innocent. I should not pass this shit which happened in my life. GC is hate group which going to kill me (indirrect, but it's not matter for GC) if get a political power, and you even don't care about it.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

LGB-split T was designed just couple of years ago. conversion therapy exists much longer as therm. It always used against gender dysphoria too.

Always? Like hundreds years ago? It was mostly the opposite. I lived in USSR and there was similar treatment to Iranian (except it was rarely death) - or "trans the gay away". Conversion therapy was always used only about sexuality, and LGBTQ was previously all about sexuality and never about identity - L - Lesbians, female homosexuality; G - Gays, male homosexuality; B - Bisexual people, male and female bisexuality; T - Transsexual Homosexual people, again about sexuality; Q - Questioning about their sexuality. Can you, please, use some other words to describe yourself and not appropriate horrors and struggles of unrelated to you group? Especially considering that your "lack of conversion therapy" was a conversion therapy for thousands of lesbians and gays.

Yeah, it's exactly about me. I want to live my female life silent.

Then why do you have problems with GC people? And why do you want attention and all the laws that are promoting extra attention to you and laws which are stripping agay rights from whole groups of people - like USA Equality Act is against lesbians, gays and women, same with Scottish recent Hate Bill.

It is not we who started it all. it is not we who are radicalizing society. Why are you attacking victims and not the offenders?

I feel a fear.

Fear of what? That women will not lose voting rights? That women will have rights on our own spaces?

Do you know what fear we are feeling every time Self-ID men are entering our spaces? Do you know what fear were feeling women after being raped recently and curing their wounds in Vancouver Rape Relief when trans activists were assaulting their building, chanting rape threats, breaking windows and nailing dead mice to entrance? Do you know what fear lesbians are feeling when everyone around starting screaming at us that we are bigoted for not wanting "girldick" because of our sexuality, and when those transwomen are 2 times taller than we and 10 times stronger, so we can't even outrun them? What about our fears?

And I was just prey

To GC women? Really?

I should not pass this shit which happened in my life.

Oh, and you don't even know what shit happened in my life, I wish it never happened. And all just because I was a lesbian, because I loved women, I did not even chose that - I am so wished I could like a man or even a transwoman, but it just impossible, nature decided all for me.

GC is hate group which going to kill me

Not the men who are guilty in 100% of all murders of transwomen, but a bunch of women and lesbians who just want to have equal rights with men? Really? And you haven't answered how women getting rights will kill you at all? Why all transsexuals were living before pretty fine among GC and now GC would kill you? Why half of GC people I know - are transsexuals themselves, lol?

Actually. You are Canadian, right?

Hm. Now it starting to make sense. And now I see direct victim of their propaganda, I said this will happen, lol.

You see, when group is susseptable to suicide - suicide is NEVER mentioned to them - so they will not even have idea that this can happen. While TRA are all time crying about trans suicide and introducing idea that "you must suicide if people not accepting you" and then TRA are fearmongering that GC are causing all those deaths and stuff. While in reality it is men who are murdering transwomen and it is TRA who are fearmongering transsexual youth into suicides.

And it repeated as mantra, this terrorizing mantra. No wonder you are so scared and in fear. I know one transsexual who was scared of GC too, he was from UK. He was so scared that GC are creating this toxic atmosphere and that transgender people are in big danger, but than that person checked data and found out that in UK transgender people are the safest demographics, with low suicide rate and zero murders in few years. This brought to that person calmness and improved live really well.

So lets talk about this - what exactly GC are doing what will be "going to kill you"? What in women's rights is what hurts you? What in opposing Self-ID is murdering you? What in making sport competition fair is going to murder you? What in protecting lesbians and gays is going to kill you? And how? Almost nothing in GC actions, speech and goals will hurt you or most other transitioned transsexuals at all. Try to calm down and think about things that can harm you, and lets discuss them? As most likely it is just not true. Don't eat lies and live in constant fear - this will lead you to self-harm, calm down and think about situation.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

Actually. You are Canadian, right?

Why are you trying to doxxing me? Should I feel a fear? Is it treat? Could you pls write in the DM and explain how you got this information and why are you wrote it here? (or I will consider it as real treat from you and ask moderators about protection. Not sure BTW if they could help here or if mods are going to protect anybody else, not GC), why you do investigation about me and share this here? Maybe we even discussed in discord together 1:1 or in server, but it's not a point to share what you learn from me in the public platforms like saidit. I'm working to isolate my digital ID as transgender woman from ID as just female, but I could make a mistake at once.

As far as I know, the biggest part of outings was performed by one LGBT members against other. So, we're both LGBT, and I should be really careful about you.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Could you pls write in the DM and explain how you got this information and why are you wrote it here?

You are linking Canadian researches, speaking about Canadian sutff (or at least about stuff that is mostly happening in Canada and Australia). Plus in Canada there is heavy fearmongering campaign against GC women and feminists in general, so I assumed you are.

Sorry for making you fear even more, lol. Calm down, please. You not adressed other questions in there, better lets speak about them.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

I don't believe in your answer, sorry. Maybe it's paranoia, but in my case I should be careful, and better to overestimate a treat, instead of underestimate

You are linking Canadian researches

It's not true. A linked different researches

speaking about Canadian sutff

I was not. Not here. In discord - yes.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not using discord at all.

Maybe it's paranoia

Considering that you are thinking that giving rights to women will somehow kill you - I would not be surprised. You need to calm down and think more about issues and answers, find some logic - as you are holding yourself in constant fear, which will not bring anything good.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You’re the one who’s offered some of us “proof” that you’re a transwoman. But sure, us knowing if you’re from Canada is a risk you dont want to take lol.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, exactly. I was ready to share things like photo with timestamp of my SRS certificate (but delete name, date, etc) from Thailand clinic, and other things like this. But not in the topic, in the DM, after promise to not save it, share for other people and publicly, etc. It's probably not way how you can somebody hostile doxxing my real identity.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just an FYI even though you’re kind of awful and I’d rather not help you at all- all of that could lead to doxxing much more easily than confirming what country you’re from. It’s not like Canada only consists of one city, or by saying where your from we somehow magically get your address. It wouldn’t matter if you can prove you’re a transwoman, that doesn’t mean anything to gc.