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[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Gender is bio-social constract, we can have additional discussion about this topic

Why it is more important than sex, then?

As here was said many times: in sports, statistics, healthcare - biological sex matters. In the rest of situations neither sex nor gender should matter at all, otherwise it is called sexism.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

Do proper tests in sport. I don't understand why valid trangender with dysphoria could go to the, for example, Arm wrestling. It's not about my rights. I don't care about sport at all. Just want to live my own life and not feel fear that GC destroy it and kill me

healthcare

It's my business and my risks. Do not interfere here. If you speak about teens with proper diagnosted gender dysphoria on hormonal blockers - okay, don't change them birth certificate until 18. Reasonable for them to get proper treatment. If somebody wants, he/she could be able to show for medical records sex, assigned at the birth. Otherwise, let people be stealth

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

How exactly GC will destroy and kill you? By protecting girl's rights for fair competition in arm-wrestling? Caitlyn Jenner is transsexual, yet won male decathlon on Olympic games and was heavily ahead the best ever females in decathlon. How is it fair to put Caitlyn into women's category? How not putting Caitlyn into women's category is killing you or anyone else? And again - there zero females (natal women or transmen) who murdered grown up transwoman in last decade (maybe two), all murders of transwomen were done by natal men or other transwomen. How exactly protecting women's rights is "killing you"? And if us having rights is "killing you", does not this means that you are infringing our rights and removing them from us? We just recently got rights to vote and own a property - 30-50 years, depends on country. And outside of the West in many countries we still don't have such rights, why we need to give them up? And how giving them up will "save" you?

It's my business and my risks

So you want to be written as "female" and receive incorrect treatment? Or you want "female researches" to start researching prostate cancer? Women's health already heavily underresearched, why you want a lot of women and transwomen to die due to mistreatment?

assigned at birth

Again you are appropriating termins. Previously you took the phrase that is very triggering to homosexual people, and now you are doing same with intersex people. Assigning sex at birth is a mistreatment, it was leading to IGM and butchery of bodies of people born with DSD. Sex is observed long before the birth. I don't know, you can use something neutral like "sex at birth", or something, and not use struggles and horrors of other not-related to you groups.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

So you want to be written as "female" and receive incorrect treatment?

Exactly, it's my life and my risks. It's not your business

why you want a lot of women and transwomen to die due to mistreatment?

I'm ok if transwoman, if wants, indicate that she is not cis. Just let us decide

How is it fair to put Caitlyn into women's category?

It's not fair at all. Do not let trans woman play in sport. I don't care about it. It's Queer Theory and SJW shit, not related to my female fake life at all. Transmed accept bilogical reality: I'm biological male with partly female brain, female socialization, with artificial female body. I should not play in the woman sport, it could be unfair

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Exactly, it's my life and my risks. It's not your business

You not answered the second part of it. Why should we consider your biology as female biology and harm already underfunded and underresearched women's healthcare?

And if you don't want it - then what the problem? GC are not opposing that in majority of cases. Or, well, now with TRA/SJW pushing boundaries - many people are radicalizing to be anti trans, and because most people don't see difference between Self-ID and transsexuals - you will get hurt too by them. You should be GC ally instead, lol. And tell people that you don't want to enforce them into your beliefs and that you just want to silently live your lives. There are a lot of transsexual GC people, like even mod here is one. You should not be silent against stuff that directly hurts you. You don't want to be outed, I suppose?

It's not fair at all. Do not let trans woman play in sport. I don't care about it. It's Queer Theory and SJW shit, not related to my female fake life at all.

But it is what GC are opposing against. If you don't care about most stuff that GC are opposing against - then...why are you in fear? Why are you thinking GC will hurt you? You are saying yourself.

I'm biological male with partly female brain, female socialization, with artificial female body

"Female" and "male" brain is complete BS, thought. Unless you mean that all gnc men and gay men are having female brains too, lol.

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

"Female" and "male" brain is complete BS, thought. Unless you mean that all gnc men and gay men are having female brains too, lol.

We can discuss it in the another topic if you're not against. I want to focus in the another topic

But it is what GC are opposing against.

I don't care about it. You can do this. We can even trade, and than transmed supports you here

Why are you thinking GC will hurt you? You are saying yourself.

  1. You're going to destroy my life if get political power - you don't care about stealth transgenders, and going to convert us into freaks, clowns, like jew with David's star in the Nazi state. I have female socialization and nobody knows, if you force change gender marker in my id, and/or add here a sex, assigned at the birth, it destroys my life as well
  2. my personal life could be much easy if I receive hormonal blockers when I was teen and if I got protection against conservative parents and reparation therapy

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't care about it. You can do this. We can even trade, and than transmed supports you here

You're going to destroy my life if get political power - you don't care about stealth transgenders, and going to convert us into freaks, clowns, like jew with David's star in the Nazi state.

You are making zero sense.

We here put you most GC complaints, and you just dismissed them with either "I agree" or "I don't care". So if most GC positions are not even touching you - then what the hell do you even mean there? Like, you literally almost GC yourself with your positions on most issues. So it all makes no sense.

And you do realize that GC are pro-GNC, right? So it should be even easier "to go stealth" when everyone looks not stereotypically, unlike when TRA are in power and saying that you must look very strictly stereotypically, so many can't pass or "go stealth" because of that.

You still not named WHAT will happen that will hurt you, lol. And, it looks like, you just can't - as there nothing, really.

my personal life could be much easy if I receive hormonal blockers when I was teen and if I got protection against conservative parents and reparation therapy

My personal life could be complete hell if such therapy was done in my youth. And I know few lesbians who's life became complete hell because of this, affirmation model made them believe they are trans, so they detransitioned years after and have broken body and really suffering. It is "trans the gay away" in many cases. This is double edged sword. And there lesbian who transitioned and had years of therapy, who saying it is too late to detransition, like Scott Newgant, and so they are trying to live as they can.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The narcissism... What about women’s lives? What about women who would rather die than share a rape shelter with a male? What about women’s health being distorted and skewed because men demand the doctor test their lack of cervix for cancer? What about the research on women’s specific symptoms in events like a heart attack being skewed by men who think they should e counted in the woman’s stats?

If you kill yourself we’re guilty of a massacre and basically nazis but you’re free to ignore how your wants hurt women’s needs?

[–]pippiTheLongstocki[S] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

The narcissism...

What do make you think this way?

What about women’s lives?

I support it

What about women who would rather die than share a rape shelter with a male?

Could you pls share amount of cis-womans who was killed(or, at least, raped) in the shelter by transgender woman who was properly diagnosted having gender dysphoria, not self-proclaimed gender and other QT shit, like Jessica Yaniv, which real transwoman and transmed never supported: https://youtu.be/viObi3_K5P0 ? Also, do you understand, that lesbi couples reports a lot of sexual abuse, as well as woman prisons?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You support it but also wish to actively do things that harm it. Male feminism in a fuckin nutshell right there lmao.

I’m saying a woman in a rape shelter shouldn’t have to so much as hear a male voice or be in the presence of any male, however feminised he considers himself to be. It’s got nothing to do with the fact that the majority of rapists are male and transwomen being a part of that male group.

Males have no right to be housed with females. This is the issue at hand. No amount of males calling themselves female will ever entitle them to that. demands for access to vulnerable women and their spaces is not a right and calling it a right won’t change it.

What makes me say narcissism? The flagrant disregard for women’s needs and wellbeing. The prioritising yourself above women and their needs. The emotionally manipulative threats of suicide if women preserve medical research on female bodies by excluding your male one. The casual way you don’t even think about how your wants will impact women, and the way you ignore them when they’re shown to you.

It’s a rich tapestry of narcissistic thinking.

Can you stop calling lesbian women lesbis? It’s fuckin grubby.

Also, woman-on-woman domestic violence existing does not change the fact that males do not have any right to enter females spaces.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not about them being transwomen or whether they are equally or less dangerous. It’s about them being males. Women have a right to not have to deal with males in their spaces. Don’t insult us by pretending you care about women when you don’t even respect us enough to leave us alone and stay the fuck out of our spaces. Just admit that your wants matter more than our needs and rights to you. Own it.