Who is behind the trans/antiwomen movement?

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-11T14:51:33+00:00

Thank you! I will check that out.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-11T13:44:07+00:00

Can anyone recommend any articles or resources on this aspect? This is something that I haven’t read much about in this process to educate myself in the past few weeks.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-11T13:41:58+00:00

I agree, the slogan sounds so innocuous. As someone who peaked in the past month, I would have been willing to agree not too long ago because it seems like such a small thing. I always thought it was more about allowing them to think of themselves that way, and also had no idea about AGPs or the trend toward self-ID and men who are hardly even trying to pass thinking they should legally count as women. I expect most well-meaning people think the same and aren’t really thinking about the full implications, are just thinking people are trying to deprive a suffering person who has spent years on medical treatments from happiness or whatever. I like this idea.

How do they seem so organized in an ideology that is so inconsistent and anti-science? It’s bewildering and makes it harder for me to respond quickly

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-04T19:21:59+00:00

Yeah I recently read the incel transmaxxing manifesto and I think I’m still recovering. I need a nice engrossing novel to offset my educating myself on this stuff.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-04T15:20:44+00:00

I understand how you feel! I put my energy mostly into environmental issues for the past several years, and that’s where I thought the goals fo trans rights remained until a few weeks ago. I was so shocked and the more I read the more disturbed I am about the direction things are going. I am also especially concerned at the policing of women’s language about their own bodies.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-04T12:21:18+00:00

Yeah, I had newly found GC and have been pretty sad about it being banned (though i know things are in the works!) but the more I think about it, the more I realize how completely out of touch with general reality and consensus the TRA narrative will be when they start bringing it offline. If their most effective strategy is just banning questions or dissenting opinion they are in for a rude awakening. It’s still so bewildering to that these online battles are being fought over such seemingly innocuous concepts.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-04T12:15:42+00:00

Thank you! I will add that to my list.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-03T13:20:13+00:00

I am currently reading The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. Have you read it? If not I definitely recommend it. It’s really filling in a lot of the missing pieces of why the world economy is the way it is, why there were so many dictatorships in the second half of the 20th century, etc. I hope someday something similar is written about this previous decade.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-01T19:45:01+00:00

I understand this. I feel politically homeless as well, and betrayed. I do have a tiny shred of hope that non-“woke” liberals and moderate conservatives can work together on this. My impression from older moderate and left-leaning relatives is that they are kind of just trying not to come off as hateful in a world where the definition changes rapidly. I also had a decent conversation with my conservative father after I peaked a couple of weeks ago. I spent a lot of my adolescent years trying to make my religious conservative parents understand the gay rights movement, and they have really come around since 10 years ago or so - they actually have been talking to their homophobic friends and acquaintances at church and in bible study to try and bring them around for several years and it’s important to them. So we talked about not lumping rights for LGB in with the current TRA ideology and how wrong it would be for there to be a backlash there, and hopefully they will talk about that with their friends too. But yeah. I live in a decent sized city, an island of blue and purple in a red state, and I think I’m going to focus on talking with the people who will be least resistant first. I imagine a lot of people are feeling uncomfortable but don’t feel like they can express it without being called out. For reference my parents are loyal Trump voters who love Fox News.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-01T17:11:39+00:00

Wow I can already envision this as part of a late late stage capitalist dystopian society, in which women feel no choice but to sell their uteruses to wealthy transwomen to support themselves or their families. This shit seriously sounds more like a horror sci fi plot all the time.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-01T13:28:11+00:00

Also, that is shocking to hear how embedded in the education system it is in Canada. I feel the U.S. is several years behind Canada with regard to social issues usually, so it will be interesting watching for that :(

Thank you for being passionate about women-centered care! Hopefully I find my way to a local doula with your outlook.

Edit: wording

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-01T13:17:14+00:00

Thank you so much. I have actually been finding moving into this stage of life to feel more empowering than I expected, learning about how intricate the physiological communication is between mama and baby, the power of the female body, and the non-gendered language deflates that for me. I will not hesitate to change care providers if they erase motherhood from pregnancy and birth. I can understand using non-gendered language on a one-on-one level if a TiF is the one receiving care but women should not be expected to change how they experience or refer to pregnancy, birth and motherhood. Maybe being open with them about how and why it feels so dehumanizing for motherhood to be erased from birth can help to turn the tide in however small a way.

Ofthewoods · 2020-07-01T12:27:38+00:00

I don’t know, but my husband and I are planning to try to conceive soon and I am dreading encountering this. I’ve really struggled with the way women are objectified and reduced to their body parts/functions at times of my life and a lot of this new gender neutral anatomy language makes me feel like a human incubator, a flesh machine, reduced to my body’s basest functions. I can’t stand it.

I am hoping for a midwife/doula situation rather than a hospital and I’m not sure how widespread this stuff has gotten (I’m in the U.S.).

Ofthewoods · 2020-06-30T12:32:28+00:00

I have reached peak left too it seems. Politically homeless - that’s a phrase I’ve seen used before. It’s very disorienting because I have identified with left wing politics my whole adult life, and my beliefs are overall still progressive. But the silencing of anyone who even asks questions, the anti-science... I had thought progressives were about critical thinking and science? I think I started hitting peak left several months ago when the word eco-fascist started getting thrown around on Instagram for things like sharing a post about the skies clearing during lockdown. Like these are just everyday people sharing a news story, but eco-fascism!!!! I even saw one eco influencer I followed telling her followers to watch for people to say anything along those lines and confront them about their eco-fascism. Way to alienate unsuspecting people from any kind of environmental movement. It’s like words don’t have meaning anymore and no ones going to find out if you just yell loudly and for long enough to win the argument. And then yeah, the JK Rowling was my true peak trans and left.

Ofthewoods · 2020-06-30T11:59:12+00:00

I was a newbie over there, like made a reddit account just to be part of GC and related subreddits. I’ve been a longtime lurker on the front page and I’ve seen what kind of place reddit can be, and in contrast GC was civil and respectful while I was there. I feel so down, having only just found that space and now it’s gone.

I also worry about others being unable to find it here

Ofthewoods · 2020-06-29T22:16:21+00:00

I just joined Reddit for the first time a week and a half ago for GC after the JKR thing and WTF. Is this in any way normal? That a sub would get banned without even warning the mods? I have still been reading through all of the information and had really been nervous to talk to my less progressive friends and family about gender ideology because I didn’t want to make them actually transphobic or judgmental (I live in a decent sized city in a red state and they probably don’t really know about any of what is being argued for right now) but it looks like I need to get over that concern. Guess the time for easing myself in is over.

Ofthewoods