Just Say No to Umbrella-Terming ("LGBTQ+" and "Queer")

Ko-hi · 2020-07-29T11:45:08+00:00

"Awhile" sure.
I wasn't speaking "for" bisexuals.
Asexuality doesn't exist, I'm straight and was faking it for 15 years. Got it.

My god you are an expert at twisting things people say into pretzels. Do you run around irl screaming at people to check their privilege and crying against microaggresions? Because you're one step away from doing just that in this discussion.

But sure, have it the way you want: I'll stop supporting LGB. as a quasi-outsider. Congrats, this was your goal right?

Ko-hi · 2020-07-28T15:23:31+00:00

Considering I identified as bi for longer than some members of the community have been alive and dated/had sex with both genders, sure kiddo, I don't understand their life experience at all and there's no point in drawing any parallels out of experience. Keep being that abrasive and you'll alienate everyone sympathetic to the LGB without other letters cause.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-28T12:28:56+00:00

Yeah but I hate it even more when people say the A stands for ally

Ko-hi · 2020-07-28T12:25:17+00:00

Oh my god are you being intentionally obtuse. You're twisting my words into something I never said.

Asexual = equal attraction to both genders, namely zero. It's a separate sexuality but it's most similar to bisexuality, due to the equal attraction aspect. 0=0. I am 30, I literally thought I was bisexual all my life until a year ago.

A lesbian feels 0 attraction towards a man. I used this comparison to point out what it feels like, to contrast that other person who said it's about not wanting sex. I did not say men make lesbians asexual WTF

Ko-hi · 2020-07-26T12:30:11+00:00

Not sure why the rant because this is exactly what I said too. We want to included in wider LGBT+ community, the alphabet soup as you put it (where A is often replaced by "ally", yay) and I respect your need for a separate label.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-26T12:28:47+00:00

Asexuality is lack of attraction, not "not wanting sexual contact". The second is generally a side-effect as sex would feel as palatable to us as the thought of having sex with a man to a lesbian.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-26T12:27:37+00:00

Asexuality is easy to define and conceptualise, it's what a lesbian feels towards a man. No sexual attraction. It's a sexuality. But there are many who think it's about whether or not you want sexual contact, that is what muddles it.

You could say we're extremely low attraction bisexuals, since we feel equal attraction to both genders, if you prefer that.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-26T11:58:04+00:00

That's not what demisexual means (a lot of people use it like that though).

But yeah I thought the same. Navigating these terms is so confusing. And why is it using like 3/4ths of the ace flag?

Ko-hi · 2020-07-23T06:53:07+00:00

Let's put it this way, the main difference between us and bisexuals is that we have sex or marry for reasons unrelated to attraction. The concept is so muddled that I did think I was bisexual for 15 years.

I'm not saying you need to include us in LG advocacy, just that we do want to be included in the wider LGBTQ+ label and that we really are a legitimate sexual orientation.

I'm here aren't I? That means I support the LGB moniker for issues that specifically affect LGB people.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-22T21:39:34+00:00

That's so damn cool, yes please. Can I be a TERF too?

Ko-hi · 2020-07-22T21:37:16+00:00

Make that 500, and all of them think the way to make everyone else give a shit is tweeting rape and death threats at her. If anything is still just in the world it should have backfired spectacularly. I haven't seen that much concentrated vitriol since gamergate and MRAs.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-22T21:29:13+00:00

That first A still about sexuality! Asexuality is what rounds out the spectrum of sexualities, same/opposite/both/neither.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-22T21:26:04+00:00

Speaking as an asexual ally, yes we want to be included. There's too many people who question whether we are a legitimate sexual orientation and whether the question of gay rights concerns us.

As asexual I have 0 attraction for either gender, but my piping works fine and I'm not sex-repulsed or whatever stereotype of asexuality is popular, I just don't feel attraction. In practice my life will look very similar to that of a shy bisexual, I don't have a preference but I also don't like feeling lonely, I could end up with either gender.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-22T21:18:58+00:00

M/F always has an inherent power imbalance I don't feel like caring about while watching porn.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-18T22:18:50+00:00

*they have both a vagina and a penis, but no balls.

Though that distinction is lost in western art

Ko-hi · 2020-07-18T21:48:55+00:00

Not if you don't want to sacrifice the word lesbian (people from Lesbos apparently don't like it).

Ko-hi · 2020-07-18T21:47:26+00:00

The first time I've ever seen pan used on the internet, it was in reference to humans + aliens, sentient animals, furries etc. So sure bring the original meaning back.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-18T19:02:17+00:00

My thoughts as well tbh I always try to think of the actual trans people I know when I read this type of bullshit, they are all (all two of them) wonderful and very shy people.

But these kind of asshats are so common on the internet that I don't know what to think anymore.

Ko-hi · 2020-07-11T17:27:58+00:00

I'm genuinely baffled that you can be a woman just because you identify as one, no questions asked, no transitioning or shaving your beard needed, because being a woman is more than just genitals, but you can't be black without your skin being black. Apparently that's just skin deep?

Ko-hi · 2020-07-11T16:56:01+00:00

DropTheT had a very inflammatory name, but it was mainly a space to discuss topics re: sexuality after sub after sub became dominated by gender discussions and the T part of LGBT.

Ko-hi