One of the great things about being a conspiracy theorist is not having myocarditis. -Unknown

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[–]musky-the-nigger 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

It all sounds great on paper, until you realize the 'vax' does not prevent infection. So you have a risk of heart problems at vax time, and then again at covid infection time. Right?

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The vaccine doesn't completely prevent infection, no. It makes infection less likely and significantly reduces the severity of illness. We were hoping for total prevention, but we fell short of that.

These two studies do not address the question of how likely you are to get myocarditis from infection when you're three, six, twelve months out from being vaccinated. That's true.

[–]musky-the-nigger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

We were hoping for total prevention, but we fell short of that.

No, we got manipulated into consuming a dangerous unproven therapeutic whose harm approaches the harm of the disease itself.

These two studies do not address the question of how likely you are to get myocarditis from infection when you're three, six, twelve months out from being vaccinated. That's true.

So your comparison is meaningless and you are as bad as OP.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No, we got manipulated into consuming a dangerous unproven therapeutic whose harm approaches the harm of the disease itself.

That does not appear to be the case. One useful metric is to just look at all-cause mortality: the simple question of whether more unvaccinated people or vaccinated people are dying. Of anything.

And in the U.S., Switzerland, Chile, and a number of other countries with good record-keeping, the answer is very clear: more unvaccinated people are dying.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

Of course, when you look at that graph, you can see that unvaccinated deaths are rapidly converging on vaccinated deaths. It appears that the pandemic is over and there would be little point in getting vaccinated for the first time now.

So your comparison is meaningless and you are as bad as OP.

No, not meaningless. It's a data point. You're much more likely to get myocarditis from SARS-CoV-2 than from a vaccine. And you're less likely to develop life-threatening symptoms from a SARS-CoV-2 infection if you're vaccinated.

These two studies don't prove conclusively that you're more likely to develop myocarditis if you're unvaccinated. However, we can see just at a glance that you're more likely to die if you're unvaccinated.

[–]musky-the-nigger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You are ignoring my point about two opportunities for myocarditis. 1 from vax and 2 from covid. This risk is additive. So why add risk? Because you are an establishment boot licker I guess.

This was never a pandemic at around a 1% death rate.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You are ignoring my point about two opportunities for myocarditis. 1 from vax and 2 from covid. This risk is additive. So why add risk? Because you are an establishment boot licker I guess.

I'm not ignoring it. I'm just saying those two papers don't give us the data to do the math. If you have a 1 per 100K chance of getting myocarditis from the vaccine, and a 6 per 100K chance of getting myocarditis from an unvaccinated infection, then you would need roughly (it's not strictly additive) a 5 per 100K chance of getting myocarditis from a post-vaccine infection in order to make the myocarditis risk equal. Is the chance of myocarditis from a post-vaccine infection that high? We don't have the data in front of us. Maybe it exists; I don't know; looking for it more homework than I feel like doing right now.

This was never a pandemic at around a 1% death rate.

The word "pandemic" is not defined by death rate.

[–]musky-the-nigger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not ignoring it. I'm just saying those two papers don't give us the data to do the math.

Exactly. Yet here you are trying to argue with a false comparison on behalf of Pfizer. I'll see you in hell sir.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I could not possibly give less of a shit about Pfizer. My sole concern is my health and my son's health.

I waited six months after everyone else to get vaccinated, did a whole bunch of reading, and decided it was better if the two of us got vaccinated.

As for you, man, I'm not advocating anything. Get vaxxed, don't get vaxxed, become an astronaut, cut your dick off, I do not care.

[–]stickdog 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OK, all of that data is totally confounded by clear overestimates in vaccination rates (shown by the fact that many demographics have well over 100% vaccination rates!) as well as clear overestimates among unvaccinated mortalities (just because you don't have a medical record of vaccination does not mean that you haven't been vaccinated).

And none of that corrupt data are broken out by young healthy people or by variant.

It has now been well over two years. So where is a single observational study that even so much as ATTEMPTS to compare the OVERALL health outcomes of mRNA vaccinated populations to the OVERALL health outcomes of demographically comparable mRNA unvaccinated populations?

[–]SeethingPeasant 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Also, myocarditis and pericarditis wasn't a problem until after the vaccine had come out. Then once people started getting it from the jab, all of a sudden "well the unvaccinated can get it too!!" The truth is the vaccinated are getting sick and dying at an alarming rate and you know it. No amount of cope and propaganda can change that.

And no it doesn't reduce infection or severity. The hospitals are filled with the vaccinated, and the vaccinated keep getting covid, my sister has been vaccinated and boosted as per recommendations and has had covid 4 times. Me and my family are #CrispAndCleanNoVaccine only had it once, and I'm around people all day every day, been around tons of people with covid, only ever had it once which seems to be pretty on par for the natural. I got young kids, they had covid, no issues and haven't had it since as well. If the math doesn't add up, check your work. The narrative failed to add up unless you buy into the cult ideaology and blindly follow. But good luck, we will be praying for all the jabbed.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, myocarditis and pericarditis wasn't a problem until after the vaccine had come out. Then once people started getting it from the jab, all of a sudden "well the unvaccinated can get it too!!"

Of course they were problems. We didn't just invent myocarditis and pericarditis. For example, here's a Finnish study published in 2017 - two years before COVID existed, and three years before any mRNA vaccines existed - about the hundreds of Finnish children under 15 who have been admitted to the hospital for myocarditis.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.116.005306

my sister Me and my family I got young kids

I mean, more power to you and your family, but you know you can't get reliable population data just by looking around you, right?

I see this all the time whenever anyone's just trying to confirm their own biases. "I don't know a SINGLE PERSON who doesn't think Donald Trump is a piece of shit." Well, okay, good for you, but I assure you they exist.

[–]stickdog 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They don't address anything meaningful at all.

By pooling vaccinated individuals in the "COVID-19 infected" cohort, all these scientists did was show that vaccination plus COVID-19 causes more myocarditis issues than does vaccination without COVID-19.