There was a reason for the red scare, communists had infiltrated the government

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[–]Musky[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

We're taught these days that McCarthy was a fool going on a witch hunt, but he wasn't wrong about communists seeking to infiltrate the government.

I wouldn't be so quick to trust the official narrative on that anymore.

What he did I think might have been necessary and proper.

[–]Alphix 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We're taught these days that McCarthy was a fool going on a witch hunt

The result of actual and effective communist subversion on the media and educational system.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

We're taught these days that McCarthy was a fool going on a witch hunt, but he wasn't wrong about communists seeking to infiltrate the government.

Probably not, but if their were still communist russian spies would it be cause to go after Bernie Sanders because he attended communist meetings in his youth, or justify Hillary's baseless railroading of Trump and Gabbard for being suspected of Russian something or other? How about censoring the internet of communist/Russian stuff, or going after people who write the wrong things like that psychologist Peterson?

I personally feel this sets a very dangerous precedent for eroding civil rights to allow this in any circumstance. Zelensky has used similar war-time justification to shut down political rivals and take over the media

[–]Musky[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You're right, it's a fine line. And the dude will forever be demonized for what he did. Still, you let your enemies sit at the table and have equal say even while they don't have the same regard for your opinions and it doesn't work out well. Look at the tranny coalition, they took that grace and took advantage and then turned to censor everyone against them. McCarthy seems nobler in retrospect.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Still, you let your enemies sit at the table and have equal say even while they don't have the same regard for your opinions and it doesn't work out well. Look at the tranny coalition, they took that grace and took advantage and then turned to censor everyone against them. McCarthy seems nobler in retrospect.

I don't disagree with what you are saying here. You are drawing parallels between two ideologies you view as harmful, but I have a different analogy that I believe is a closer fit.

Communism is an ideology intertwined with foreign nations and foreign power, there were nations of communists who were our enemies. I don't see a corresponding nation of transexuals creating a national military security threat, or the same war-time justifications

Now what I do see from the woke left looks an awful lot like good old fashioned christian intolerance of decades past. They want to stop people from expressing things contrary to their ideology, by policing values and language, and demanding that other people follow their system of beliefs. We have had plenty of christian legislators try to do the same things - teach creationism in schools for example. I think if this was 1000 years ago, the wokes would very well go on an inquisition and do away with blasphemers against them. Just look at Disney. 20 years ago they were all about appeasing christians with purity rings and wholesome christian values, but now they are catering to the woke crowd who demand to see values of diversity and inclusion by having all the characters be gay and black. This is very much a secular religion of morality and values to these people

In my mind its the wokists and christians that are opposite sides of the same coin

But I agree, if we let these people take over the government its not good, we'd have a quasi-religious state like some sort of woke Sharia law. Religious states tend to be very oppressive

[–]Musky[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don't see a corresponding nation of transexuals creating a national military security threat.

I see the new woke ideology that embraces gender identity as not only a national security threat but as a threat to American exceptionalism. Kids these days don't do anything, don't try to accomplish anything, they sit around and contemplate their gender. We've paralyzed a whole generation by causing them to give undue consideration to one of the most basic things there are. To embrace the self over all else, they believe that a person with no talent or abilities can decide to become special without any effort.

Everything is going to shit.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't disagree with any of that, this ideology is definitely harmful in a lot of ways. But I think in terms of national security, what I am trying to say is that this threat is an internal one rather than an external one, as opposed to something that involves a direct threat from foreign powers

[–]Musky[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How do you know this is not being fueled by foreign actors? Tik tok, obviously is a Chinese platform that espouses plenty of gender identity ideology, and I imagine China loves Americans being preoccupied with such pointless aims. I'm sure a number of countries would. Countries that have divisions dedicated to cyber warfare, that includes psyops too.

Someone, somewhere, and probably a lot of someones is trying to manipulate American society.

[–]Alphix 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The commies infiltrated over 50 years ago. That rot you see, that's them, IMHO.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, you are right, this thing has global factors, and I have been primarily focusing on a domestic perspective.

From a purely domestic perspective, the woke stuff scares me more than the 'red scare' would have. There was a lot of fear of Russia and spies assets, which is scary, but the enemy is clearly defined, and an 'other'. Now even if this psycho woke trans shit is coming from psyop warfare, which it could very well be, I am seeing 'my own' people as the threat. Liberals, anarchists, people I considered myself one of, are becoming ideological zealots of an ideology I think is quite 'bad'. I find it demoralizing in a way that fighting against 'the russians' isn't, because I no longer feel like I'm part of any 'us', and quite frankly feel threatened by the ideology of almost everyone. I guess I feel like a critical mass of Americans, and even the corporations have embraced wokism in a way that didn't quite happen with communism

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the woke stuff scares me more than the 'red scare' would have

I feel they are one and the same.

Communism didn't NEED to embrace wokism that hard because the underclass was already beaten into submission by the time the regime took form, and they stayed that way. Starting from a place of freedom and individual rights though, they need to do a LOT to destroy the Western momentum in this regard.

[–]Alphix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why equate "communist" with "Russian" though? Russkies aren't commies anymore. And the instigators of communism worldwide were not Russian, nor North Korean, nor Chinese... You get the idea.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why equate "communist" with "Russian" though

I wouldn't normally, but Musky was talking about 'communists' doing 'infiltration' during the cold war and Mcarthyism

[–]JewsAreOfColor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope, they were white godless Europeans.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They were the one saying to play nice with the Russians when they were still a communist country. Now that they have been free of communism for 30 years and are stronger than ever without it, they are the ones doing the scaremongering.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He didn’t go far enough.