even if we gave them no aid,

Then Israel wouldn't exist

Saudi Arabia and the United States began in 1933

Not sure what this is supposed to prove?

Lawrence of Arabia was a generation before this date.

Good luck to America trying to keep access to the gulf and Suez only via the house of saud.

Your argument is shit.

Well it's going to be easy for you to counter it then, not sure why you're refusing to do. So far you've simply suggested that Israel would still exist without western backing, which needs evidencing.

Remember how I set out to prove this

Helping Israel improves my standard of living. Classic.

And now you're moving the goalposts.

So, after reading what I wrote, do you agree that helping Israel is related to America's Suez and Hormuz access? Do you agree that access to those straits affects your standard of living? Go on, move the goalposts another few inches, see if I notice it when you do it again