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[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The light tunnel is a trick. Heaven is not a place, so if you're being taken to one it's just another part of the control system. The archons are just going to fuck with you more.

Otherwise they can't tell you whether to be in light or darkness.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

When in doubt, pray to the Lord and ask him. Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. If a man calls on Jesus in sincerity and in truth, he cannot be deceived. The Lord himself will protect his mind from the deceptions of the enemy.

Darkness is where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth!

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Because he ransomed us. The law was given by angels so that sin would increase, and we would amass impossible debts to them. But with us they cannot use that excuse.

If a man calls on Jesus in sincerity and in truth, he cannot be deceived.

Who says he can't be deceived? If he can't be deceived, then why all the admonishments to "not deceive yourself" and "not be deceived"?

The Lord himself will protect his mind from the deceptions of the enemy.

And if you understood his words you will fall for the staircase to heaven trick. Because the kingdom of God will not come by observation, and they cannot say, "Look, there it is!", because look, the kingdom of God is in your midst.

Darkness is where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth!

Who said it was darkness outside the light tunnel? How do you know the light tunnel isn't a snare leading back to darkness? And how do you know what looks like light is actually light, and what looks like darkness is actually darkness? Your interpretations are worldly.

And we warn all the time about demons deceiving people with false visions and pretending to be ghosts and such. What makes this one any different? Or should we all start conjuring spirits and listening to mediums? What people see in these death experiences is almost exactly the same. The differences amount to the "god" they see being whichever deity they believe in, which already confirms that it's a deception. When Jesus is seen, he does not act like Jesus, but rather like all the other false gods, giving you a life review and demanding massive sin debts be paid, as if the cross never happened or was in vain. Demons run this simulation and control everyone in it, and they have more layers of control and deception than you would ever imagine. They want to keep you under their power and slavery and never understand or escape their evil world. Christ came to redeem us from their curse so that we could be set free. Understand that this world and this life is not good, and don't seek it out. In fact even the fundamental laws of physics and nature are evil, how could this realm be anything but that of demons? If you are afraid of hell and darkness and weeping and gnashing of teeth, then you should be even more terrified, because that's where we are right now.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The LORD is the lawgiver and the angels do his will.

Isaiah  33:22  For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

If a man prays to God and asks for the truth, God gives it to him and will protect his mind.  A man does not have to worry that he will be deceived if he prays sincerely to God for the truth.  If a man does not pray or does not sincerely want the truth, then he can be deceived.  The proud will not humble themselves and ask God for help, so they are deceived.

Philippians  4:6-7 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Through prayer, God passes understanding and protects a man's mind from errors. I prayed while considering your message, and I praise the Lord for not letting me fall into doubt and unbelief and falsity, which is darkness.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Galatians 3:19-20 Why the law then? It was put in place for the sake of transgressions, being ordered through angels in the hand of a mediator. But a mediator is not of one, but God is one.

Galatians 5:2 If you get circumcised, Christ will be no benefit to you.

There is a mountain of evidence that the law is in fact the invention of Judahite elites and kings. And if it wasn't, then why is it condemned in Jeremiah?

Jeremiah 8:8 How can you say, "We are wise, and the Law (תורה) of The LORD" is with us? Look, truly the false pen of scribes works for falsehood.

Not to mention how even in the gospel of Matthew where James's corruptions have crept in and attempted to recast Jesus as upholding the law, it's very difficult not to see him as directly opposing it. "An eye for an eye was so the punishment didn't exceed the crime" doesn't work, because it specifically commands "You must show no pity". But Jesus says do not repay evil with evil. These contradictions are very famous and the church has to scramble to make up explanations for the problem to protect the sancitity of the Roman church's canon. But there is no way around it, much of the Bible is malicious forgery and has been used countless times to justify atrocious acts, including crucifying Christ. Now am I to obey that over his word? According to most the answer is yes, but if so then why accept him in the first place since you are at odds with what he says? Now if the Christians are to be believed we receive revelation not from men, but from God, and are to follow the spirit and not be bound by the letter. Otherwise I suggest you stop eating pork and wearing polyesther and observing redundant feast days and cultural practices of ancient Judea. That is a counterfeit law. In the real law "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, is summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. And when we inevitably fall short, we have been ransomed.

You have no evidence that demons cannot deceive you with false answers to prayers. It is extremely difficult to distinguish between a demon and God (and also yourself) because demons are exceptionally skilled at impersonation for the purpose of deceiving people. That's why you must test every spirit and every word.

Jesus says he is the light of life. Therefore do not be afraid of the dark, because you have the light of life. But I think more relevant is the fact that you do not understand Jesus, because if you did you would not ignore the of life part. The kingdom of God will not come by observation, and they cannot say, "Look, there it is!", because look, the kingdom of God is in your midst. But Satan does masquerade as an angel of light, quite possibly of a staircase or tunnel to "heaven". You yourself said that doubt and unbelief and falsity are what darkness means, so why do you apply that to the literal darkness of outside the "tunnel to heaven"? How do you even know that it is darkness? How do you know that behind you is not an even greater light that is not snatching you up? But even if it did appear as darkness to the eye, appearances can be deceiving. The Pharisees thought the messiah would come to conquer the world for Israel. They too misunderstood the true meaning.

Perhaps you are too afraid to step outside of orthodoxy because of your conditioning. Or perhaps it is the fear of social ostractization, rejection, and judgement. But you are blessed when the masses hate you, because that's exactly how the prophets were treated. Jesus and his disciples certainly weren't orthodox Pharisees and Sadducees. And when supposed brothers are doing such things to you, are they not the ones breaking the commandment? I warn you to avoid the modern church, as they have become a corrupt imposter just as every other institution (and not only the Roman church). Even in the late first century it was already corrupt, and forgeries such as 1 Timothy were appearing all over the place. And when corrupt humans control something, behind the scenes it is really archons pulling their strings.

[–]In-the-clouds 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You make it clear that you think the Holy Bible is corrupt and so what hope do you have?  Will you stay in the darkness forever?  What exactly are you trying to convince us of?  To avoid the light?  To avoid Jesus?  To not trust the Lord or His Word?

Law

Moses gave 10 commandments to Israel. Do you suppose Moses thought of the commandments himself?  He received them from God on the mountain top.  Likewise, the angels do the will of God.

Romans  7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Circumcision

If a man, an adult, chooses to be circumcised to fulfill the Jewish law, thinking he will be justified by that, then he is rejecting Christ's sacrifice.  Such a man thinks he can justify himself and believes he has no need of Jesus.  We that are Christ's are justified by faith, not by works of the flesh, like cutting the foreskin.  If a man repents, he will be justified by faith in Jesus, who kept the law perfectly and was sacrificed for us.

God's Word Kept in Vain

People say "God bless America" in vain, too, but that doesn't mean God is not good.  Why would God bless a corrupt and wicked generation?  People speak the name of Jesus in vain, but their hearts are far from him.  What good is having the Bible if you look for faults in it?  That is like the scribes Jeremiah spoke of who kept the law in vain.  They had the word of life in their possession, but rejected it.  Is this you?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You make it clear that you think the Holy Bible is corrupt and so what hope do you have?

Don't take my word for it. That would be foolish and easy way to be deceived. See for yourself the differences between the newer Byzantine text forms and older Alexandrian and Western ones and how they were altered by the copyists. And that's not even getting into the many, many edits made before publication of many of the books, especially Paul's letters. And this is just in the New Testament; think of how many more must be in the Old, with how much more time they've had to change it. Speaking of the Old Testament, you can also check out the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Samaritan version, the Masoretic version, the Septuagint, the Vulgate, and the Peshitta and see many different versions and alterations; and that's only the very recent ones. If you've ever been perplexed about all the contradictions, this is why. And it is also a mistake that the word of Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, David, Solomon, Ezra, or anyone else is absolute truth in the first place, because they are mere men. Paul told the Galatians that even if he himself started teaching a different gospel that they were to stop listening to him. And he told the Corinthians that he wanted their faith to be in God's power, and not in the wisdom of people. Now there is wisdom to be found in the Bible, but since with the exception of the prophets and words of Jesus it is written by people, how can it be anything but the wisdom of people? Who says it can't contain errors or even misunderstandings? Rome? Why should I listen to the Council of Rome, which took place 300 years later and was led by corrupt clergy and at that point even infiltrated by the Roman government? And when there is a contradiction, and we are bound by the letter, which are we to follow? Do we just pick which one we like better? Or listen to what the televangelist says based on what he likes better? Again, we are to follow the spirit and not be bound by the letter which was in the first place decided by people. There is no record of God or Jesus ever giving a list of supposed holy books. It was assembled by humans, and the proof is right in front of you.

Moses gave 10 commandments to Israel. Do you suppose Moses thought of the commandments himself? He received them from God on the mountain top.

The Old Testament is very corrupt especially in this section, but I do think it's likely that this event happened. In any case, wherever or whoever they came from, they are good, because they uphold Jesus's commandment and are supported by him. But we follow them because of Jesus's commandment, not by their own letter. As for most of the other laws, they are either forgeries or Israelite and Judahite legal laws and cultural codes that somehow made their way into the book. Now God never changes, so how could he turn around in the New Testament and suddenly decide all the evil and pointless laws don't apply anymore, and are in fact against his will? I think it's more likely that he didn't actually sanction them in the first place, which would also explain why the Old Testament figures always seem to break them or not even know of them. And indeed that's exactly what he seems to be complaining about in Jeremiah.

Likewise, the angels do the will of God.

Not fallen angels aka demons or archons, who rule the matrix.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

I did not deny that, but read the rest of it, because he also agrees with me, that we are to follow the spirit and not the letter, and that through the law comes only sin.

If a man, an adult, chooses to be circumcised to fulfill the Jewish law, thinking he will be justified by that, then he is rejecting Christ's sacrifice. Such a man thinks he can justify himself and believes he has no need of Jesus. We that are Christ's are justified by faith, not by works of the flesh, like cutting the foreskin. If a man repents, he will be justified by faith in Jesus, who kept the law perfectly and was sacrificed for us.

Jesus kept the actual law perfectly, which is written on the heart, and in fact requires going against the written law on many points, as Jesus also did. James tried to rewrite the Sermon on the Mount as upholding the law, but it's still a clear rebuke of it, and it is called the work of scribes and Pharisees, just like in Jeremiah. And the fact that even the Judaizing Ebionites didn't accept it is very telling.

Why would God bless a corrupt and wicked generation?

I never made that claim, but if he did it would be because he is merciful, as he has also blessed us despite our failings.

What good is having the Bible if you look for faults in it?

Does a lie nullify the truth? No, but the truth exposes and nullifies the lie. Most of what was written by authentic disciples is in good standing, although even it can contain misunderstandings and even human moral failings. But the main problem is later alterations by scribes who have an earthly agenda. 1 Timothy is a perfect example of this, as it seems to be largely a reaction to Paul's views on celibacy and egalitarianism and food sacrificed to idols expressed 1 Corinthians and Galatians. He also appears to have edited those letters to soften Paul's arguments and bring them more in line with his own views. Notice how confusing 1 Corinthians 7 is, but it makes sense when you skip verses 2-5 and 9. That was the author of 1 Timothy who doesn't like Paul's view that not marrying is better; he wants everyone to marry, pop out babies, follow cultural norms, and always unquestioningly obey authority. So he invented the idea of "the gift of celibacy", which apparently no one has. And boom, Paul's entire discourse is now nothing more than a theoretical situation which can't possibly happen. To this day the human agenda hijacks Christianity and condemns those who don't marry and pop out babies using this excuse. They might as well condemn Jesus for not being married either!

That is like the scribes Jeremiah spoke of who kept the law in vain.

He does not say that they "kept the law in vain," but that they wrote false works and called them the law of God. They commited forgery against him. These laws contained many horrific commandments, such as burning people alive; and all of them are in our copies of the laws of Moses, so it cannot be claimed that this was a different one or merely commentaries on it.

They had the word of life in their possession, but rejected it. Is this you?

No, which is why I won't trade it for theirs.

Nevertheless I am glad that you do not listen to me or take my word for it. I encourage you to keep an open mind and discover the truth for yourself. I'm only telling you what I know, to help you.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Will you stay in the darkness forever? What exactly are you trying to convince us of? To avoid the light? To avoid Jesus?

I am telling you to avoid the false light that appears as a supposed tunnel or staircase to heaven upon death, because it is a trick by demons who are masquerading as and impersonating Jesus. I did not say to avoid the light of life or Jesus, in fact I would never have found out any of this if it weren't for that.

To not trust the Lord or His Word?

No, but to not put complete faith in what humans say is his word. Much of it is indeed inspired by his word, but is still not his word itself.

[–]In-the-clouds 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

2 Timothy  3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness....

Yet you say the Bible is from men.  So your argument is not with me, but with the scriptures themselves.

Proverbs  30:5  Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

I put my trust in him and in his word.  You do not trust his word, saying it is corrupt, telling us you know all the many ways it was changed.  Like the serpent in the garden that tempted the woman, saying, "Yea, hath God said?"  First he puts doubt into the mind, then comes the temptation, then sin, and when sin is complete: death.

You claim to know so much about these demons, fallen angels, and corrupt men.  And you give no hope.  How then must a man be saved?

I tell the reader, if you have questions, pray directly to God and ask him, and if you sincerely desire the truth, he shall reveal it to you.  You will receive his peace, which he wants to give you after all, because he is your Creator, your heavenly Father, and he loves you.  He proved this on the cross when he died for you as the man Jesus Christ.

And if you want a summary of the whole law, it is this:  love. 

Love your fellow man.   Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  Do this, and you will fulfill the law and be pleasing to God, and live.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

2 Timothy

Forgery.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

I see this used all the time. But it can't mean the Bible, which wouldn't exist for centuries later. Rather, the context shows that God does not lie, does not break promises, and cannot be wrong, and that he can always be trusted.

I put my trust in him and in his word. You do not trust his word, saying it is corrupt, telling us you know all the many ways it was changed. Like the serpent in the garden that tempted the woman, saying, "Yea, hath God said?" First he puts doubt into the mind, then comes the temptation, then sin, and when sin is complete: death.

Before this revelation my faith was weak and doubtful, and what I did learn I was confused about and couldn't understand. But now I do understand and am learning the truth, and I believe more than ever.

You claim to know so much about these demons, fallen angels, and corrupt men. And you give no hope. How then must a man be saved?

I never disputed this, nor did I not give hope. If there were no hope, the cross and therefore faith is in vain, and there would be no point in me warning about these deceptions.

And if you want a summary of the whole law, it is this: love.

Love your fellow man. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Do this, and you will fulfill the law and be pleasing to God, and live.

This is exactly why perverted scriptures such as accounts of God telling the Hebrews to kill everyone including children and animals in a city and take the virgins into sex slavery cannot be authentic. They were obviously put there by people who wanted to justify those things. Most people recognize the problem but mostly ignore it because it's difficult. However some of the less vile but still Satanic doctrines are among the most popular today, especially if it has anything to do with culture wars. I'm seeing a lot of so-called Christians dismiss everything Jesus says because they say it's "weakness" and "too soft" and even "tolerant of sin". So they appeal to everything but Jesus instead. What?! Why claim his name in that case?

Just test everything, is all I'm trying to tell you. Whether it's a word, or a book, or a person on earth, or a spirit, or a vision at death. Because he says, "Many will come in my name, saying 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many."

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you know that it was God who created the laws of physics? Are you gnostic?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not the way they function now. Might is right and evil reigns. Freedom is impossible. Almost everything is pain and good is scarce.

Call it gnostic if you wish but I'm sick of people doing evil in the name of God.