His name was J a s o n C a r s w e l l.. He was cast into the desert for 7 days and nights..

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[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

AmericanMuskrat is fabricating evidence against me and this site and I've just banned him for it.

Wait, I've just seen two faked screenshots. One PMed by a fake bobby3 account with a purported message from you banning bobby for "transphobic remarks".

magnora7 ADMITS to banning me for offending mentally retarded tranny faggot admin TheAmeliaMay

from bobbobbybob3 sent 1 day ago

proof. PNG /u/Magnora7 banned my second account for EXPOSING this FACT! I NEED you to re post this for me PLEASE we have to expose these faggots for censoring me!

The fake bobby screenshot https://files.catbox.moe/mje5r9.png from that message.

The other fake screenshot was sent to another user and is 'supposedly' Musky saying gross pedo shit.

Fake Musky screenshot: https://jssocial.pw/ppkey/fget/pic8/upload/ldah4qB3rO.png (I was asked for opinion on it)

Are your sure Musky is behind this? It's kind of looking like a successful troll op.

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I've seen four fake screenshots. u/AmericanMuskrat posted the fake screenshot of u/magnora7, Magnora showed me a screenshot he got from a troll framing u/fschmidt, and I removed the two screenshots framing Musky as a pedophile and u/FediNetizen promoting violence, both posted by one of loki88's alts.

Yesterday, Fried Beans banned u/bobbobbybob2, who posted the screenshot Musky sent hours before (SaidIt says it was a full day before, but they where both posted on April first — I hope this was just a really bad April fool's joke).

So it's very possible Musky saw this post and copied the link, or the account that posted it just sent him the link and he thought it was real.

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I was sent a link to that Musky screenshot because Comatoast thought it was real, but wanted my opinion on it. I didn't see Musky post about it, but I agree anyone could have thought one of these fakes were real if they weren't familiar with inspect.

By the way, here is bobby over there: https://poal.co/u/bobbobbybob/comments

I asked about that screenshot and he/she professed no knowledge.

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The only reason I know about it is because I use the devpane a lot to debug websites. (Usually just to catch errors and constantly clear the cache.) It's understandable normies like Musky and Toast (now under some other username) would take them at face value.

That link just sends me to a login page, but considering how Bob doesn't know about it — and has no reason to lie — I think it's safe to say it came from someone else.

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Musky was kind of a lefty, in my impression, but if you can talk to M7 about whether banning over posting a faked screenshot from the troll he might have thought real is the best decision. I don't think Musky was out to cause harm, although I haven't seen that specific post. It's like we're in one of those movies where the killer (the troll) uses trickery to take us out one by one.

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Yeah, he's definitely left-wing.

It does kind'o feel like that sometimes.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

My main concern is he opened up s/tits.....

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm with you on this idea of picking off the real accounts.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Hey so muskrat made this image: https://s01.geekpic.net/di-1M7AQZ.png

And then he was spreading it around everywhere, trying to stir up drama. Trying repeatedly to frame me and this site as having taken a stance we did not take, with this faked image.

And then a loki88 troll PMd me another fabricated image, that same hour, trying to frame another user (fschmidt), hosted on the same image service. https://s01.geekpic.net/di-DIB3B6.png

So it became obvious muskrat is working with the trolls, this evidence is undeniable. Also in the last 2 days he posted about how great it is to have sex with 17 year olds, talks endlessly about the ironleft, stirring site drama , creating and promoting subs that are constantly pushing the boundaries of the rules... if it quacks like a duck, it might just be a duck.

It's very unfortunate some people feel the need to go to such lengths to destroy this website and its reputation.

This isn't a failure on my part, this is me removing people who are working hard to deliberately destroy this website. Once the evidence is clear, I had to act.

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

So it became obvious muskrat is working with the trolls, this evidence is undeniable.

From a users perspective, it kind of looks like Musky got one of those fake screenshots like a bunch of us did, and thought it might be real. I've only encountered him in comment threads, but didn't get the impression he wanted to harm saidit. Seems more likely he got tricked by the troll into quacking like a duck.

This kind of thing just gives the troll more ammunition. "See? Even more unfair acts by the admins!" It's a strategy that can be more successful than you might be thinking, from the admin position. In a different comment, I mentioned how the troll seems to be using a classic 'insurgency' strategy, where attacks against the authorities and infrastructure lead to an overreaction by the authorities, which leads to sympathy from the people. The trick is to not fall into the trap of perceived overreaction.

such lengths to destroy this website and its reputation.

What if the troll is behind getting you to ban users to create a reputation for saidit as a censoring and banning site? That has the potential to be far more harmful to saidit than a user stirring site drama. To be realistic, people on reddit put up with the censorship and banning there because of the numbers of users and posts. Saidit can't really afford to have a censorship and banning reputation, as we're pretty small.

Something to consider when thinking about banning a boundary pusher. I'm used to sites with few rules or behavioral restrictions at all, which does lead to annoying levels of retardation, but too far the other way is not good either. I don't envy your position as the decider. (and target of this troll)

Anyway, those are my thoughts on it. Saidit is over three years old now, so congratulations on a difficult feat.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What if the troll is behind getting you to ban users to create a reputation for saidit as a censoring and banning site?

They've been doing that for over a year. AmericanMuskrat was regularly breaking and pushing the rules in additional ways beyond just the constant promotion of the faked screenshot

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If he was breaking the rules, then that's that. I hope we don't lose too many more regular commenters.

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    [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Many things are possible. I'd like to see all this meta-drama end so we can get back to commenting on stories and other people's opinions.

    I'm a little unhappy that the loki/LXXX/whatever troll seems to be having some success in degrading saidit, and concerned that our active pool of commenters seems to be shrinking.

    I had good interactions with Musky, although he seemed to be against Nazis, and will miss his replies.

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