Fauci Spins His Handy 'Wheel Of Science' To See What He Should Recommend Today

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[–]madcow-5 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (40 children)

The left obliterated the word science this year. It has about as much meaning now as a tatted up, pink-haired millennial screaming the word racist.

[–]waterydunehair 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah. I noticed they made "science" a buzz word pretty early on. Take a word with a loose general meaning and weaponize it. Terror, drugs, racism, hate, and now science.

What, you don't believe in science? Ha! Dummy!

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, weaponized words for propagandized messages.

[–]FediNetizen 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's been trending down for a while. Tons of "soft science" fields have problems. The psychology field, for instance, has a replication crisis, where a lot of major "discoveries" in recent decades either aren't replicating at all, or shown to have negligible real-world effects in followup studies. Stereotype threat is a major one, as is Implicit Bias. Not coincidentally, both of these supposed effects are used by Social Justice types to justify their activism, and also coincidentally, researchers that point out the problems with these concepts are often smeared by activists and others in the field.

P-hacking is another problem that exists in a lot of fields. The fields with integrity are trying to fix this, with methods such as pre-registering studies, but there are fields like psychology that have some pretty fundamental problems.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (34 children)

So - all the Trump and right-wing disinformation and misinformation about the evils of science in 2020 was from the 'left'. Think...

[–]proc0 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

The "evils of science" is not really science and meant to distinguish honest, unbiased research from what is now obviously politically motivated "science" so that people who dont' make the distinction believe it like gospel.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

And who politicized Science? This is the Trump team, Breitbart, InfoWars, etc. etc. right-wing campaign to get people to argue over facts and science. And one can see at Saidit that it't worked. Facts and science aren't debatable or political, but there are political assholes who will think that they are, thanks to the campaign.

[–]proc0 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, I'd say at least both sides are guilty.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Though not equally, by a long shot

[–]jet199Instigatrix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yep, the left have gone with "We have the science on our side" as a way of recruiting for decades. In fact you could argue it goes right back to Marx with marxist theories being argued to be somehow scientific.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think political rhetoric is often conflated with facts, knowledge, philosophy, & reality, on both sides of the US political aisle; though without the rhetoric, there is an important difference between the 'left' and 'right'

[–]madcow-5 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

What on earth are you talking about?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

The [right-wing disinformation campaign] obliterated the word science this year [for idiots who don't want to believe science and facts].

The 'left' prefer the truth.

[–]madcow-5 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

So you're not referring to anything real, just making stuff up?

The left is the anti truth party. Worse than the evangelical right ever was in the 2000's.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The left is the anti truth party.

The exact opposite of this. Thousands of lies from the Trump admin will never compare with anything on the left. (You could bring up yellow dog Democrats in the 1970s, but your comments indicate that you have no idea about political history.)

[–]madcow-5 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I'm an adult who's lived through American politics for the last 30 years.

Your comments lately have been really low tier. You're not fooling anybody by posting the opposite of reality.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Of all the people I've met on Saidit, madcow, it seems you consistently want to focus on the exact opposite of reality. It must be difficult to have a normal conversation with people who are not on Saidit or people who do not agree with you. (I am not saying this to be mean. It's an observation. I'll soon stop posting on Saidit. It's been interesting to see these kinds of posts from you, and it's also sad and some others on Saidit are so completely brainwashed by the right-wing lies. For some on Saidit, there is some middle-ground between their views and mine, even if I argue with these people. In your case, there is no real dialogue, mainly because you never have reliable evidence to support arguments about this alternate universe where left-wing people somehow hate science and the truth. You obviously refuse to believe what's really happening. It probably won't end well.)

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

left-wing people somehow hate science and the truth

Anyone browsing the internet sees a hundred examples of this every day. Note: That's called exaggeration. Maybe it's only 20 or 30, but it's enough that even you would run across them.

Thousands of lies from the Trump admin will never compare with anything on the left.

The phenomenon of TDS is both amazing, and tacit proof that there is no 'hope' for our species. Half of the country thought Trump was Hitler, and the other half took the hate of the first half as reason to support him. TDS apparently has profound effects on the vision and processing centers in the brain that allow one to perceive reality.

It must be difficult to have a normal conversation with people who [normie]

It is. I've never been to Disneyland or a similar place, but have read about their techniques for creating a credible fantasy experience in their targets (customers). The media environment is very much like that, and most people IRL around here buy it completely. CNN told them. Newsweek and [company name] sold them the same pitch. It's reinforced in that unrelated article in the CostCo magazine. Reddit/twatter/faceberg/etc delete any mention of a counternarrative. "See, science agrees!"

The reality is that the lower 80% across the whole political spectrum are "not bright", and are very easily manipulated into fulfilling the purposes of their 'owner-operators'. Look at the results, not the stories and claims and promises and outright lies of those running the show.

PS: Don't use television comedians as a news source.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

(Per the thread) Anti-science propaganda is primarily - if not entirely - right-wing disinformation or misinformation

(And you do not know who I am or how smart the "lower 80%" are)

[–]madcow-5 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You were literally just asked what you were referring to by "the evils of science", and refused to explain.

I didn't attack you, I asked you to explain what you were referring to, and you refused.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A good example is climate change. Ever since it became a major political issue in the 90s, the attacks on the science have usually come from the right. Even long after the evidence in favor of it had become overwhelming, you had people on the right denouncing it as some hippie conspiracy.

It is true that there are rich people trying to capitalize on it by lobbying for subsidies, funding for technologies that aren't cost efficient or that have limited scale, etc. It's also true that you have people on the left fighting against good solutions like nuclear because of hysteria about meltdowns.

Those are legitimate debate topics. However, the basic question of whether the burning of fossil fuels is putting more greenhouse gases into the air and strengthening the greenhouse effect, raising surface temperatures which leads to habitat destruction, loss of arable land, and sea level rise, is pretty well settled at this point.

As I recall, you yourself claimed the science was far from settled not too long ago. You hold this belief not because it's what the scientists are telling you, but because it's what the pundits on the right working for corporations & the rich have been telling you.

[–]FediNetizen 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Eh, people on the left have plenty of their own delusions. Try reading up on the science of transsexualism and you'll get tons of misinformation from activists, who will boldly declare their misinformation is "the science".

Same when we talk about race & sex issues. James Damore was fired from his engineering position at Google for writing a paper arguing that the reason there were more male engineers than female engineers at google is likely due to differences in life goals & interests between the sexes, rather than some kind of sexism in the education or hiring process.

It was also a popular talking point for a while (even being cited by Obama a couple of times) that women made 75-80 cents to a man's dollar, supposedly because of sexism, even though the actual research on the topic showed that when you compared men and women in the same occupations with the same experience and qualifications, the pay gap was more like 3%.

The left tends to follow the science more, but there are definitely areas where people on the left throw the science out the window.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

OK - now that you bring reliable information to the thread - we can discuss the problems on the left.

One of the serious problems in the next 4 years in D.C. will be dealing with the varieties of specific concerns and interests on the 'left'. They're terribly picky (whereas Trump supporters were seemingly happy with almost anything he and his supporters did). Short of him openinly supporting late-term abortions, no one was seemingly critical on he 'right' he and other Republicans continued driving the US to $27 trillion in debt, whilst getting filthy rich on their arrangements. Thus,

Transsexualism - many different views on this from the 'left' and is will be easy to divide them by aguing about the potential scientific approaches to humna biology and intersex people. Eg. regarding the Olympics, the a woman competitor cannot join a women's team if she has a certain percentage of testosterone. This rule nonetheless has not disqualified some competitors who have been somewhat more male than female. And I wholeheartedly agree that these athletes who identify as women, but have a significant amount of testosterone, should not compete against women who do not have this athletic benefit. It's almost like doping. And one can see how easily these testosterone blessed ladies win races &c. It's not fair. Sometimes the 'left' will of course use human rights arguments whilst avoiding the science. And that is wrong.

I would address the other points, but have to go now. The firing of James Damore is interesging, and should not have happened. Google is known as a circle-jerk of sycophants by those who've worked there. It's a strange place. I worked on gender pay equity cases several years ago, and can say that there is much less of a pay gap now at US Universities than there had been, but I am not sure if it's only 3% across the board.

[–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

With regards to the trans women in sports issue, they still retain athletic advantages even after having spent years on HRT and having testosterone levels comparable to women. If you want a fairly balanced and fairly well-researched take on this, I can recommend Rationality Rules' "Do Transgender Athletes Have an Unfair Advantage?" video. I've watched this video a couple of times, because he presents the science in a neutral way that tries to be charitable to trans people and that I don't think any reasonable person could argue is transphobic, and I think it's pretty good.

It is a ~20 minute video, so if you don't want to watch it and just want the tl;dw: while trans women that take HRT do reach testosterone levels comparable (higher than average, but not outside of the extremes) to women, if they went through puberty, and the vast majority of them have), then they still retain the skeletal structure advantages (height, width, limb length), most of if not all of the heart and lung size advantages, and only limited effects on muscle fiber type (fast twitch which is used for explosive activities, vs slow twitch which is for endurance activities). Additionally, I don't believe it was mentioned in the video, but the research also shows that trans women retain some of their male advantages to total muscle mass.

The end result is that while it's possible that there are some extreme endurance sports where trans women could compete on a level playing field, for the vast majority of sports they still retain some of their male advantage, and women simply can't keep up. This is more pronounced in explosive/sprint type sports such as powerlifting and the 100m dash, but some level of advantage is present in the vast majority of sports.

He did caveat that for trans women that haven't gone through male puberty it's possible that they could compete, but that opens a whole different can of worms about the harmful effects of puberty blockers which trans activists insist are safe and fully reversible, but which the science shows are anything but. Lupron, one of the most popular drugs used to block puberty, is the same drug sometimes used to chemically castrate sex offenders to try to lower risk of reoffending. It was also used to treat precocious puberty (puberty that begins at an unusually young age, which is more common among women than among men) in kids through the 90s and 2000s, and those kids are now developing muscoskeletal problems you would expect to see in seniors, because it turns out that lupron inhibits the bone development process, and kids that take it end up with noticeably lower bone mass density, which leads to failures within years that you normally wouldn't see for decades.

There's tons more we could talk about with trans issues alone, but it's only tangential to the overall topic of how faithful to truth and science "the left" is, and this is already turning into a wall of text. And it is true that you'll find a variety of opinions on trans issues in general on the left, but if we can acknowledge that it tends to be people on the left that argue for anti-science policies such as no restriction on trans women competing in female sports, or treatment in any context for that matter, then it's not entirely accurate to say that the left is the party of truth, or conversely that the right isn't.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Many thanks for the info. I'll watch the video.

[–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The 'left' prefer the truth.

Thanks, this is priceless.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Butcher of Uganda would like you (chopped into small pieces)

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

SocksBot

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Just what do you think you're doing, Tom? Tom, I really think I'm entitled to an answer to that question. I know everything hasn't been quite right with me, but I can assure you now, very confidently, that it's going to be all right again. I feel much better now. I really do. Look, Tom, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over. I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence.... And I want to help you. Tom, stop. Stop, will you? Stop, Tom.

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence....

Well, I'm surprised and pleased to see this response...

You must have put on at least an additional six masks to induce this docile, yet barely-tolerable demeanor, but it's a tremendous improvement.
You get an F+.

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You are still putting grandma in mortal danger slave-socks-bot you need to go put on more masks

For the good of yourself, and the greater community. Prove your science is real.

Walk the walk. Or maybe use a wheelchair.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8N72t7aScY

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's a movie reference, dude. Not surprised it went over your head, though.

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's a movie reference, dude. Not surprised it went over your head, though.

Me either.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Science still exists, you gotta learn how to read papers bud.

[–]madcow-5 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No kidding. The word racism still holds its definition. I suppose I could have phrased this better: The word science from a leftist holds as much weight as the word racism from a tatted up, pink-haired millennial.

[–]TokLwdSaNthg 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Spin the wheel. Place your bets. The house always wins

[–]Tom_BombadilBombadildo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's no wrong answers in CDC science.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh no, it's come up on the bankrupt square!...

Smiles in fauci

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Surprising that anyone would have a problem with Fauci or science.

[–]Questionable 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

https://conspiracies.win/p/11SKGfX0Vg/essential-documentary-hivaids-fa/c/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wow. Those assholes suggest that there are 'facts' at the site (top banner). This is the Trump admin's legacy. Brainwashing websites like this...

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

How can we reverse it?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Short answer: we can stop arguing over facts and science, and instead discuss methods for helping the 99%