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[–]goatmeal 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

communism kills

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Kill Communism. Burn every copy of Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto. Burn Mein Kampf on the same pyre.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Burning books is not only stupid, but exactly what the Communists did. Ever heard of the cultural revolution? If you don't like the books, don't read them.

[–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's like saying if you don't like air pollution, hold your breath.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

It does solve the problem.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Books don't affect you so long as you ignore it — the same doesn't hold-up for pollution.

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        [–]UnexpectedTransmissi 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        I heard part of the reason for the New hatred amongst the Nazis was that they'd seen first hand the atrocities of Russian communism play out in the 20s and 30s and they saw it coming to Germany. Does anyone know if this is true and have a source?

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Never forget that the rulers of present-day Russia are common blood-stained criminals; that they are the scum of humanity which, favored by circumstances, overran a great state in a tragic hour, slaughtered and wiped out thousands of her leading intelligentsia in wild blood lust, and now for almost ten years have been carrying on the most cruel and tyrannical régime of all time. Furthermore, do not forget that these rulers belong to a race which combines, in a rare mixture, bestial cruelty and an inconceivable gift for lying, and which today more than ever is conscious of a mission to impose its bloody oppression on the whole world. Do not forget that the international Jew who completely dominates Russia today regards Germany, not as an ally, but as a state destined to the same fate.

        -My Comfy Chair

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

        Sire, your account is 29 days old, and nearly everyone of your comments is a trollpost. Opinion automatically dismissed

        Inb4 gAy gEnOcIdE

        HAHAHAHAHAHA

        [–]ExecuteHomophobes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Flagged for bullying. And if your account is called "3rdFuckingAccount" it's because your first two were banned for your projecting your trollhood onto innocent bystanders.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        bullying

        Muahahahahahahaha

        [–]ExecuteHomophobes 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        OK fascist

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes, I literally am a fascist, I do not understand what you're trying to achieve by 'Ok Fascist'
        Also, hahahahahahah

        [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        He is a brown nose fren

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Probably

        [–]JuliusCaesar225 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        National Socialism doesn't need to be Nazism. But have fun allowing corporations sabotage your nation.

        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

        Capitalism is a dictatorship of Capital, and Socialism is a dictatorship of Labor. These materialist and anti-Nationalist ideologies must be entirely rejected! Instead we must pursue unity between classes, and devotion to the Nation!

        [–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

        And God.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Ah, yes. I ain't particularly religious myself, but Jesus was great; if Christians would actually do as he said, this country would be a better place. Loving your neighbor, helping the poor, resisting temptation — all great tenants even the secular should follow.

        [–]Druullus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Helping the poor by handing them fish?

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        I prefer to give the poor a fishing pole and teach em how to use it.

        [–]Druullus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Are you sure?

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

        u/jesus, Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism. Deny it however you want, state mandated religion always devolves into chaos.

        From William Gayley Simpson:

        The teachings of Jesus are completely out of step with nature, and only a few exceptionally zealous men could ever come close to implementing them.

        Certainly Christianity, and especially Puritanism, was only a revived and revamped Judaism. Indeed, there were those who perceived in Christianity only the history of Jewish heresy. But I was far less concerned about the bearing of these two religions on each other and their relationship to the future than I was about what had been the historic effect on the European world of having the White people who created it pass under the direction of a religion that had not come out of their own life experience, out of their own unspoiled and unperverted instinct, traditions, and values. Nietzsche had declared, quite correctly, that Christianity was "the revenge of the Jews on the Gentiles": the Gentiles had taken from them their homeland, and the Jews had got even by foisting upon the former their religion. And Blake had perceived, no less correctly, that 'all nations believe the jews' code and worship the jews' god,' and had pronounced in conclusion that 'no greater subjection can be.' Inevitably the question arose: Can the Western White man, especially Nordic Western man, ever fully repossess his own soul until he has thrown off this alien religion?

        Christianity will and always will be "slave morality" that Nietzche described.

        Read Thus Spoke Zarausthra

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        That's why Nazis lost? Yeshua understood that the only way to win is to follow Him. Help those less fortunate and stop being a parasite.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Nazis lost

        Did they though?

        Help those less fortunate and stop being a parasite.

        Actually, christianity is also the frontier of materialism. I presume that you believe in Catholicism. In the 1500s, the Roman Catholic churches came up with a sort of a monetization model based off of the sale of indulgences. One person stood up against this, his name was Martin Luther, and in his "Disputation of Martin Luther on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences", now known as the 95 Theses, his 86th thesis stands out

        Why does the pope, whose wealth today is greater than the wealth of the richest Crassus, build the basilica of St. Peter with the money of poor believers rather than with his own money?

        Did you know what happened to him after that? He was excommunicated from the church and was labeled as an 'outlaw' by the church.

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        I guess not, neo-fascists still won, but they are not Nazis; they are trads and Likudnik Jews.

        The Roman Catholic Church is Babylonian pagan materialism mixed with a levitical like hierarchy of men.

        The institution is anto-Christ but judge people by their merits and fruit.

        I don't believe any institution in Christendom follows "The Way", maybe small denominations that preach and follow "The Way", but few do.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        No, actually, that's not what I'm talking about. In Weimar Germany, the level of degeneracy was beyond measure. Due to the socdems fucking up on the economy, germans started selling themselves out for food. Many so-called 'lewd' films were made, starring Germans, and those movies were viewed by elites, jews, pedophiles, etc. Weimar Germany also gave rise to the most degenerate movement that humankind had seen, the pedo 4 letter movement(you-know-what). An institute was also created for this, headed by Jews, known as 'Institute for Sexual Research', where tranny degeneracy was being peddled. Also, a pseudoscience known as 'psychoanalysis' was developed in this period, by (obviously) a child abusing jew, Sigmund Freud. The practicers of this pseudoscience and perharps, even the people it treated, were Jews. This was rebranded as 'psychology' and distributed to the masses. You can see effects of it, even to this day, where people accept the objective crap known as 'psychology' as subjective truth. So in summary, Weimar was highly degenerate.

        When Hitler rose to power, he ordered Freud to leave. The 'Institute for Sexual Research' was closed down. All books that promoted degeneracy were burnt and those book burnings were effective. Freud fled to the allied countries. You can see the results of this in the current political scenario, nearly all the allied countries now house degeneracy. In the United States, a man can cut off his dick and claim to be a woman, and a woman can surgically attach a sausage to her clit and claim to be a man. In Germany this is very very rare, and usually frowned upon. Also, in Germany, the four-letter group is usually also mostly frowned upon. In Britain, people literally strip naked in front of kids.

        In the case of Russia:
        Leninist Russia's political lobby was full of pedoes, jews and pickpockets. A rapist pedophile(can't remember the name) was given the rank of NKVD chief. He used to take away kids from concentration camps and used to rape them for two nights and then perform rituals on them for another 2 nights. He also used to take away wives from their husbands, and then executed the husband. Some say that would he would rape the captured wife in front of the captured husband and then would execute the husband and would continue raping the captured wife. When Lenin reigned, all of this degenerate shit was allowed. Some say he also plotted Stalin's death. Only after Stalin's death, Beria was executed, and not on the charge of rape, he was executed because of 'treason'

        My point was that Germany still tries to maintain traditions, even in these days, while the Allied countries have degenerated to the point that the only solution to curing degeneracy in the former Allied countries is nuking those countries. So in a way, Hitler did actually succeed.

        Edit: I remembered the name, Beria

        [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

        Christianity does not equal "The Way."

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

        What does that mean and how is that related to the current argument?

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

        I'm not arguing with you. Christendom is not "The Way." Yeshua's way is not preached in Christianity and few Christians follow it. "The Way" is action ie. to do good; not to go to Church every Sunday and let hell reign on earth is not what Yeshua had in mind.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

        not to go to Church every Sunday

        Going to church every Sunday should not be mandatory, and in no way is 'not going to church every Sunday' equivalent to 'let hell reign on earth'

        [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        Followers of Yeshua must bring the Kingdom to those on earth and preach it far and wide. It isn't just about salvation. We must leave the dead to bury their dead.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

        Followers of Yeshua must bring the Kingdom to those on earth and preach it far and wide

        I do not have a problem with Christians spreading their teachings, however, a goverment choosing a specific religion to support is not a comprehensible idea. The state should remain secular (while maintaining family values, but also rejecting puritanism)

        [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        how special of you, to believe that shit.

        Religion is a fundamental aspect of Human, which is why this fairytale state of yours has never, and will never thrive.

        If it isn't god, it will be some kind of animism, or molecular faith.

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          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          The real enemy is not the small business owner, but the banker who tells you to hate the small business owner.

          [–]Druullus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

          Corporatism/Collectivism is a dictatorship of Capital...

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Corporate Capitalism perhaps, but Corporate Syndicalism is much different.

          [–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Yes, in corporate syndicalism the corporation murders you, where in communism the state does it for them.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          In Corporate Syndicalism, businesses are well-regulated: there is not a 'free market' policy that allows them to blindly pursue profit at the expense of the People.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Corporate doesn't refer to big business you fucking tard, a corporate refers to a corporate group, I.E, a trade union model organized by industry.

          [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          Just so we are clear, Marx was a cousin of a Rothschild and all the socialists, like Proudhon, hated him.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Marx was a cuck, proudhon was an anarkiddie cuck.
          Jews are like pests and parasites, they steal great ideologies and alter those to their own needs.
          Proudhon isn't a socialist. Marx isn't a socialist.

          Robert Owen is.

          [–]ReeferMadness 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

          If only. Everyone can acquire capital. Under capitalism everyone is equal.

          [–]ExecuteHomophobes 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Leftists have used the state to create impediments to the acquisition of capital for those who do not already have it, and they blame everybody but themselves for these.

          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

          In Capitalism you must already have capital to gain more, or at the very least gain the favor of someone who already has it.

          It's very rare in an entirely capitalist society to see someone go from a lowly worker to a member of the capitalist elite. It definitely happens, but it would happen a lot more in an economic system like Corporatism. (Which some people think is still Capitalism, but I see it as a syncretic ideology.)

          Capitalism is definitely is not an equal society. Equality before the law cannot be present in a capitalist society, for the courts are influenced by greed. Furthermore, equality of opportunity cannot be achieved when everyone starts on a different playing field.

          Meanwhile Socialism sacrifices true equality in the name of "equality of outcome," which is really just a fancy term for inequality. If someone who works hard gets the same reward as someone who doesn't work at all, that is inherently unequal.

          We must reject all forms of Materialism — Capitalism and Socialism — and instead pursue a system of National Corporatism. We must devote ourselves not to greed and envy, but rather to the Nation. Only then shall true equality be possible. Only then shall the classes live in harmony.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          We must reject all forms of Materialism — Capitalism and Socialism — and instead pursue a system of National Corporatism. We must devote ourselves not to greed and envy, but rather to the Nation. Only then shall true equality be possible. Only then shall the classes live in harmony.

          That sounds really unfun. Tell me, is there a place for cocaine and hookers in your vision of society?

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Lol, no. Drugs and prostitution would remain illegal, though I'm open to decriminalization so long as there's mandatory rehabilitation (that actually works).

          Also, I believe the federal government's gone well outside of its boundaries with the war on drugs, so I don't support that without a constitutional amendment (which I would support).

          [–]Druullus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          In Corporatism/Collectivism/Socialism etc you must alr...

          [–]ReeferMadness 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

          In Capitalism you must already have capital to gain more

          Bullshit. Get a job. Convince someone with money to invest in your startup. Provide someone a service that they are willing to pay you for.

          It's very rare in an entirely capitalist society to see someone go from a lowly worker to a member of the capitalist elite.

          Bullshit again. Capitalist societies have the HIGHEST class mobility. Rare is relative, and compared to everything else it is the least rare.

          it would happen a lot more in an economic system like Corporatism.

          Stop comparing real world results to fantasy results. Prove that you have a better system on a smaller scale with other people who believe what you believe. Don't make baseless claims because you imagine something is better and expect everyone to go along with it.

          Capitalism is definitely is not an equal society.

          Bullshit. The "inequality" you see is inequity and comes from the accrued gains of those who worked harder, smarter, and better. Society did not start when you were born. Advantages were earned.

          Corruption exists, but it exists everywhere. Capitalism is least susceptible to corruption. It offers the most opportunity for success. And creates the environment for the most advancement.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

          If you didn't say "bullshit" every other sentence, and pretend like it was some form of argument, perhaps you would appear more mature and adult-like, rather than rude and childish, but I digress.

          Get a job.

          Someone working at McDonald's will barely be able to survive, let alone start a business. The problem with Capitalism is that it requires everyone to own a business in order to be well-off — which is insanity!

          And even those who do own businesses, many of them are treated as poorly as the Workers! Unless you're a CEO of a mega-corporation you might as well be trash in Capitalism.

          Convince someone with money to invest in your startup

          You literally — and perhaps intentionally — failed to include the part of the quoted sentence in which I say exactly that.

          Provide someone a service that they are willing to pay you for.

          Those who start-out with less capital are less capable of providing a service that one is willing to pay for — and even if they are, it won't be to a large extent, or perhaps even to the extent required to cover the costs of business.

          Capitalist societies have the HIGHEST class mobility.

          Even if it is — which is isn't: Corporatism would be better — the requirement for class mobility is absurd. We need different classes.

          Stop comparing real world results to fantasy results.

          The correct word is theoretical, and I would remind you that before Capitalism was tried it began as a theory — one which has led to the betterment of humanity, but has now become obsolete. It's time for a new theory to be tried.

          Prove that you have a better system on a smaller scale with other people who believe what you believe.

          That's the plan.

          Don't make baseless claims because you imagine something is better

          It's called a hypothesis, which is a key element of the scientific method. Before testing something one should formulate a hypothesis: an idea of what the results may look like.

          The "inequality" you see is inequity and comes from the accrued gains of those who worked harder, smarter, and better.

          Working-class people who work harder and better than CEOs and investors get paid much less. The stereotype that all Workers are inherently lazy and dumb, and that all Capitalists are inherently hard-working and lazy is a dangerous and severely incorrect prejudice.

          The inequality I see is inequality of opportunity: the poor, although perhaps more able, are less capable due to a lack of capital. It's like giving a construction worker a single brick and telling him to build a whole house — he won't be able to do it, no matter how skilled he may be!

          Corruption exists, but it exists everywhere.

          That is true.

          Capitalism is least susceptible to corruption.

          When your entire economic system is based upon greed, don't be surprised when you get corruption. Socialism is inherently corrupt, but Capitalism is prone to becoming corrupt.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

          If you didn't say "bullshit"...and pretend like it was some form of argument,

          Bullshit. I always support my claims of bullshit. There is not one instance of unsupported denouncement of your bullshit.

          The problem with Capitalism is that it requires everyone to own a business in order to be well-off

          Bullshit. Capitalist societies have the highest standard of living, the largest middle class, and the highest average income. By any reasonable measure capitalism offers being "well off" to the most people.

          The US was built on high paying manufacturing and mining jobs. Offshoring and the flooding of migrants is responsible for the suppression of middle class wages, not capitalism. The US was just as capitalist in the 1950's as it is today and that was the golden age of middle class living anywhere in the world.

          Of course you could argue that open borders and free trade are capitalist because that is what big business wants, but there is nothing within capitalist societies that prevents strong borders and tariffs. The problem with low wages is globalization and you are unjustifiably blaming capitalism.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

          Bullshit. I always support my claims of bullshit.

          So you're both immature and stubborn. Just using the word "incorrect" would be a world better — for your sake, of course: I don't lose anything from you embarrassing yourself.

          Capitalist societies have the highest standard of living, the largest middle class, and the highest average income.

          Of systems we've tried. Corporatism would be much better. Capitalism was the best system possible when it was first achieved — after decades of failure — but if you haven't noticed, it's been hundreds of years and not only has technology changed, but society along with it.

          Offshoring and the flooding of migrants is responsible for the suppression of middle class wages, not capitalism.

          Was it not the Capitalists who sent our jobs overseas? Was it not the Capitalists who closed-down our factories? Was it not the Capitalists who replaced American Workers with illegal immigrants? Was it not the Capitalists who betrayed America for China?

          Capitalism is synonymous with offshoring and unchecked immigration! Capitalism is the pursue of material wealth above all else — above the Nation! In order to embrace true Nationalism, we must reject both Capitalism and Socialism, and devote ourselves to the betterment of our People!

          there is nothing within capitalist societies that prevents strong borders and tariffs.

          When your entire economic system is based around greed, don't be surprised when your brother sells you out to the foreigner.

          The problem with low wages is globalization and you are unjustifiably blaming capitalism.

          Capitalism is synonymous with Globalism. The Capitalists are the ones who want open borders and free trade! I'll refrain from repeating myself.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

          Of systems we've tried.

          Of systems we've proven.

          When your entire economic system is based around greed,

          The system doesn't create greed. It is ever present and will be equally present in your fantasy world if you are ever unfortunate enough to create it. Blaming capitalism for greed demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of human nature and a totally naive and incorrect expectation for greed to be curable with policies. Capitalism acknowledges greed and is built to work around it and utilize it. It does not create it. It is not responsible for greed.

          Capitalism is synonymous with Globalism

          The very fact that globalism inherently includes all countries of all political frameworks proves you wrong.

          The solution to problems within capitalism is to fix those problems, not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

          The reality is that anti capitalism is a cult that is brainwashed into every college student for the last 30 years. That there are numerous alternatives proposed simply masks the underlying reality that you are all driven by an emotional coupling of every grievance to the power structure (which you identify as the government/rich and powerful people/oligarchs).

          The evidence for this is the fact that most of the proposed alternatives can easily be implemented within capitalist societies, and yet the people pushing them don't. They are simply making those alternative proposals to justify attacking capitalism. Most communists don't live in communes. Most socialists don't work at co-ops.

          You can be a communist in America and live by your own standards. You can't be free on a communist country and own your own business.

          That is ultimately the greatest proof that this is the greatest way to live.

          If your alternative requires you to attack capitalism with bullshit then your alternative is not better. The same way every smartphone that came out after the iPhone was advertised as the "iPhone killer" and inadvertently proved that they were all in fact inferior.

          Capitalism is simply about freedom, and freedom is everything.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

          Of systems we've proven.

          Something has to be tried to be proven, and you have to convince people before doing such.

          Blaming capitalism for greed demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of human nature

          Allowing human nature to remained unchecked makes us mere animals. Greed must be suppressed, as with lust, envy, and the rest.

          Capitalism acknowledges greed and is built to work around it and utilize it

          Which is the problem. We shouldn't reward people for taking what is not theirs, but rather encourage them to work for their slice of the pie.

          The very fact that globalism inherently includes all countries of all political frameworks proves you wrong.

          It doesn't include Nationalist countries, only Capitalist and Socialist ones, which reject the Nation in favor of Materialism.

          The solution to problems within capitalism is to fix those problems

          That's what Corporatism is: solving the problems of Capitalism, while retaining its benefits. Capitalism wasn't an entirely new system: it built upon the previous systems of Feudalism and Mercantilism.

          The reality is that anti capitalism is a cult that is brainwashed into every college student for the last 30 years.

          That's Marxism, not Corporatism. You can't lump everything an inch to the left of you as "basically Communism". Marxists actually hate Corporatists more than they hate Capitalists — for these ideologies are both materialist in nature.

          most of the proposed alternatives can easily be implemented within capitalist societies

          If you change Capitalism, then it's no longer Capitalism.

          You can't be free on a communist country and own your own business.

          That's true: Communism, and Socialism, is a dictatorship of Labor — and always devolves into a singularity of government control and corruption.

          If your alternative requires you to attack capitalism with bullshit then your alternative is not better.

          If you criticize anything I like, then you're wrong!

          The same way every smartphone that came out after the iPhone was advertised as the "iPhone killer" and inadvertently proved that they were all in fact inferior.

          I'd have to disagree with that, as a life-long Android user. The degree to which Apple controls your phone is a deal-breaker for me. I don't want to have to jail-break my phone just to download a politically incorrect app.

          Capitalism is simply about freedom, and freedom is everything.

          Capitalism is about freedom — but unchecked freedom is just as bad as unchecked authority! I know you aren't an Anarchist, so you can agree that there are certain limits to one's freedoms.

          Corporatism is simple about the Nation, and the Nation is everything. The Nation, One Body.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Allowing human nature to remained unchecked makes us mere animals.

          No, it makes us free men. Tyranny has never built a good society.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          One who is not disciplined can never truly be free: for he is but a slave of his inner desires and unable to properly forge his own path.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          We shouldn't reward people for taking what is not theirs, but rather encourage them to work for their slice of the pie.

          That is what we do. Capitalism is not theft. That is the anti capitalism brainwashing talking.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          If you manipulate people into giving you their money — or charge exorbitant amounts for a resource over which you have a monopoly — then you did not rightfully require what is yours.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          If you criticize anything I like, then you're wrong!

          Strawman. I can make an argument for capitalism that doesn't require attacking anything else. If your proposal is built on "this is bad therefore that" it is built on... wait for it.. Bullshit!

          One thing being bad does not prove that an alternative is better. That is a fallacy.

          You can compare two things and say "look at how 1 tackles poverty better than 2". But that is not the same as saying "1 is bad at tackling poverty therefore 2 is better". And "theories" are not things you can validly compare to reality.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Strawman. I can make an argument for capitalism that doesn't require attacking anything else.

          Your whole argument was that any system that criticizes Capitalism is inherently bad.

          One thing being bad does not prove that an alternative is better.

          That is true, however, an alternative could be better, thus should be sought. Perhaps there will never be a proper alternative, but we can't know that for certain until everything has been tried.

          You can compare two things and say "look at how 1 tackles poverty better than 2". But that is not the same as saying "1 is bad at tackling poverty therefore 2 is better".

          What I'm saying is that "1 tackles poverty better than 2, but 3 could be better than both."

          And "theories" are not things you can validly compare to reality.

          If everyone refused try Capitalism — or stopped once it failed — then we would never have Capitalism, thus would be stuck in a system of Feudalism.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          You can have your nation. What is stopping you? Tie a few logs together, grab your buddies and head out to sea on your own floating island nation.

          That is the purest form of you getting exactly what you say you want. If it doesn't appeal to you then that means what you actually want is a lot more than what you admitt to.

          You want to control land others own, use the resources others own. All free of charge of course. With nothing more (presumably) to justify it all other than "it's not fair that they own it, it should belong to everyone [me]."

          In this way (and many others) you are far more similar to socialists/marxists/colectivists than you care to admit.

          The best form government maximizes freedom. That includes reducing as much as possible the tyranny of powerful and wealthy citizens. That excludes throwing every inequality under the umbrella of tyranny.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          You can have your nation. What is stopping you? Tie a few logs together, grab your buddies and head out to sea on your own floating island nation.

          A Nation is a People. Unless the entirety of Anglo-America up and moves, then I'll stay where I am.

          You want to control land others own, use the resources others own.

          I want America to control her own land and resources, instead of paying fiefs to foreigners and the banks.

          With nothing more (presumably) to justify it all other than "it's not fair that they own it, it should belong to everyone [me]."

          This is a strawman argument: I never said property should be collectivized, or even that there should be a command economy.

          A key element of Corporatism is both private property and a market economy — albeit not a free market.

          In this way (and many others) you are far more similar to socialists/marxists/colectivists than you care to admit.

          So by protecting private property and promoting a market economy I might as well be a Communist? I though those where capitalist ideals, but I guess not.

          The best form government maximizes freedom.

          I disagree. Pure freedom does nothing but degenerate a Nation.

          That includes reducing as much as possible the tyranny of powerful and wealthy citizens.

          Which can only be done through Corporatism, Distributism, or some other form of third positionism.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Corporatism would be better

          Fantasy economics is fantasy.

          It's time for a new theory to be tried.

          If it ain't broke don't fix it. Go fix North Korea. The probability that you will make things worse is a million times higher than the probability that you will take the greatest society to ever exist and make it better. Especially when you don't even understand what proof of concept is.

          Working-class people who work harder and better than CEOs and investors get paid much less.

          Yeah, you missed the point. If I build an automated farm and then lounge around being fed for free I deserve it, I earned it, I built it. My neighbor who tills with a hoe and plants seeds individually works much harder and will always claim he is smarter too. When I leave my farm to my kids that is my right as a free man. That is what it means to have accrued gains. My kids may be lazy morons, but I built that farm for them.

          I made my society better by inventing the automated farm. If you take away my freedom to invent and benefit from my inventions and investments, and benefit my kids you will be left with a society of morons who starve whenever the weather is bad.

          As far as there may be inventors who are unable to invent due to poverty, that is a tiny minority of people. Find a better way to empower them than destroying society with socialist bullshit. You can't give everyone free money and d expect it to not be squandered. One in a million would actually make it grow.

          Welfare states create welfare queens not inventors. That is just the cold hard truth.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Fantasy economics is fantasy.

          The correct word is theoretical, and I would remind you that before Capitalism was tried it began as a theory — one which has led to the betterment of humanity, but has now become obsolete. It's time for a new theory to be tried.

          If it ain't broke don't fix it.

          Tell that to the millions living in poverty — or those who have to go without the medical treatment they need — or the patriots who's way of life is being destroyed by the banks.

          Capitalism is broken. Not for you — not for the elite — but it is for the People.

          If I build an automated farm and then lounge around being fed for free I deserve it, I earned it

          Yes, but most CEOs didn't do that, or at the very least not most investors — don't forget that most of them are just born into rich families and throw their money behind people doing the real work.

          My neighbor who tills with a hoe and plants seeds individually works much harder

          But he didn't work more efficiently, which is what you did in this scenario. The disparity in wealth makes sense in these circumstances — because you genuinely contributed to humanity, rather than just cutting corners and manipulating Consumers like most mega-corporations do.

          My kids may be lazy morons, but I built that farm for them.

          Yes, and they're entitled to that, but they aren't entitled billions and billions of dollars, with which they use to bribe politicians and kill small businesses.

          If you take away my freedom to invent and benefit from my inventions and investments, and benefit my kids you will be left with a society of morons who starve whenever the weather is bad.

          If you take out the "whenever the weather is bad" part, that's basically Communism.

          What I want is Corporatism, which solved many problems present in Capitalism, while avoiding the pitfalls of state control of the economy.

          As far as there may be inventors who are unable to invent due to poverty, that is a tiny minority of people.

          Inventors, maybe, but innovators: they are who we need, and who are unable to realize their full potential under dictatorships of Capital and Labor.

          Find a better way to empower them than destroying society with socialist bullshit.

          Like making the class system harmonious rather than chaotic, and allowing the various organs of the Nation to work together towards the betterment of our People. The only way to save American from Socialism is the embrace Corporatism. Dictatorships of Capital and Labor are unsustainable, it's time for a true Democracy.

          Welfare states create welfare queens not inventors

          Where did I propose a welfare state? Or perhaps you just assumed that because I disagree with you on an issue that I must be the polar opposite of you in every conceivable way?

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Tell that to the millions living in poverty

          Capitalism is not responsible for poverty. Once again poverty is the lowest in capitalist societies. I am for social safety nets. But they need to be limited. Poverty can not be eliminated. Claims to the contrary are bullshit.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Capitalism is not responsible for poverty.

          Even though we waste enough resources to properly take care of our People, and the fact that a small handful of Liberal elite control the vast majority of wealth, while the vast majority of people are left with but a sliver of the pie.

          poverty is the lowest in capitalist societies

          It would be lower in a corporatist society.

          I am for social safety nets. But they need to be limited.

          Yes, they do. The welfare state only hurts the economy in the end with its perverse incentives.

          Poverty can not be eliminated.

          Relatively-speaking: no. Objectively-speaking: yes. If we pursue economic growth that benefits everyone, rather than just the billionaires, then we can achieve a society in which everyone's basic needs are met — even if not surpassed.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          equality of opportunity cannot be achieved when everyone starts on a different playing field.

          Equality of opportunity means that everyone plays by the same rules. That is what we have, and has nothing to do with capitalism anyway. What you are doing is twisting opportunity to mean that everyone has to have the same abilities. We are not all identical so your perverted concept of equal opportunity is not possible under any circumstances.

          That perversion of meaning is being pushed in order to justify unequal treatment.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          Equality of opportunity means that everyone plays by the same rules.

          That's equality before the law.

          What you are doing is twisting opportunity to mean that everyone has to have the same abilities.

          No, I am stating the simple fact that if one starts with one dollar and another with one billion, the former will have a much harder time competing with the latter. It has nothing to do with one's ability, but rather the capability of utilizing one's ability.

          It is only fair that someone who works harder and better is to receive a larger reward — but it is not fair that one with a lesser ability is given a greater capability through an accumulation of capital, and thus a greater reward than one who is more able yet less capable.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Why are you focusing on how much money they "start with" and nothing else? IQ is far more meaningful and everyone doesn't have the same IQ. Give 100 people the same amount of money and no two will have the same amount after any given amount of time.

          The claim that being born into wealth is the only important factor is bullshit.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Why are you focusing on how much money they "start with" and nothing else?

          No matter how skilled you are, you can't make money from those skills unless you have the capital to make it happen. A lot of the time you can obtain it through working for someone else, or through investments, but a lot of the time it's not possible — especially for certain industries with large start-up costs.

          It's not that I believe everyone should start a business — quite the opposite actually: Capitalism's requirement that every start a business in order to live comfortably doesn't make economical sense. We need Workers, as well as business-owners — thus should incentivize maintaining these classes.

          The claim that being born into wealth is the only important factor is bullshit.

          There's a huge difference between saying something is the only factor and the most important factor.

          [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          No matter how skilled you are, you can't make money from those skills unless you have the capital to make it happen.

          Do I even have to say it? Of course I do: bullshit. Aside from the fact that you could get a loan, or sell your skills outright to a buisness (ie get a job) the costs of starting a small buisness are not what is stopping most people from opening a buisness. That is simply a lie.

          Give any man 100k and he wont open a buisness that was otherwise impossible for him for lack of money 99.9% of people would spend that money and have nothing to show for it within a few years.

          Of the .1% who would start a buisness 99% will start one without that donation. The remaining .o1% do not justify destroying a world that gets the .1% to invent and start businesses by rewarding them for it.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Aside from the fact that you could get a loan, or sell your skills outright to a buisness (ie get a job)

          If you would've read my original comment — which it seems you have not — I specifically stated that those are the only ways to obtain capital.

          99.9% of people would spend that money and have nothing to show for it within a few years.

          Which is why we need to maintain the class system instead of forcing everyone to start a business in order to live comfortably.

          Of the .1% who would start a buisness 99% will start one without that donation.

          You literally just pulled these numbers out of your ass.

          [–]SmallPP 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Yes, I totally prefer a proletarian dictatorship instead.

          [–]JuliusCaesar225 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yea, it sucks, worse the people who take up the cause are leftists. Due to the Leftist character and rhetoric they convince misguided Rightwing people that defensive of global capital is a patriot cause. The cause against global capital and the profit motive ruling over the nation is a national and patriotic cause and needs to be represented that way.