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[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

While authorities could have done a lot to prevent her from meeting Snowden, it's telling that they didn't. The bullshit rules and hoops and legal shit for getting a visa and/or green card are ridiculous and take ages. (As a professional Canadian computer animator - without scandal, I've dealt with shit and even gotten stranded across the border - several times - for months.) There's no shortage of strings that may be pulled. IF they wanted to. Snowden's sex life is not the point. The lack of conflict and extra troubles where there could have been is.

I never said I was smarter than Putin. The game is played on MANY levels, and it's to Putin's advantage to not get involved and to let Snowden be, aka "give him refuge".

Can you prove that it's bullshit? I never said US intelligence was omnipotent, nor competent - but they certainly have endless funding, time and persistence, with a "particular set of skills" - and Snowden was not hiding. Ghislane was hiding. Snowden was doing interviews. He could have stayed "Citizenfour". Only Greenwald and Poitras knew his name. He could have handed off the data but they made a moderately convincing documentary about it - AND a fucking feature film.

Also, if you're afraid of China spying on you, what makes you think the Five Eyes aren't spying on China? Above all the nation states are the Zionists transnational corporations without boundaries.

Manning is also a limited hangout. People don't need to be disappeared or suicided, though there's certainly no shortage of that. Snowden was merely inconvenienced.

" These are domestically-based US citizens. "

Meaning what? The USA doesn't give a flying fuck about its citizens. It's denied them universal healthcare, taxed the fuck out of them for their global domination games, unleashed propaganda and psyops and staged events on them and there's no shortage of examples of the US government letting their citizens die, from Waco to 9/11 to Flint water to this fake scamdemic and destruction of the economic and food networks - and now pushing for toxic vaccines.

" You're paranoid. "

You're not paranoid enough.

TOR is verified very compromised, started by the Navy. All you need is enough TOR entrances and exits and you can determine who is sending what - and then you can brute force decrypt it. I agree though and suspect that it's not completely compromised. The government would tell you they control the sun and many would believe they have all the power - but they don't. They are often puffed up and always liars.

" You love video conspiracy theories. "

Truth. I can do other things while listening at 2x-4x speed and glancing when necessary - like reading and learning while multitasking.

" They lack rigor. "

100% Bullshit Prove me wrong. Tell me what is not thoroughly rigorous in "_ The Secret Life of Timothy McVeigh" or "_A Noble Lie: Oklahoma City 1995". They are among the best of the best. Certainly both are far superior to "Citizenfour" upon which the fundamentals of this conversation are in question.

" I doubt you know what you're talking about there. "

Perhaps you are correct. However I'll stick by what I've heard elsewhere repeatedly and say WikiLeaks doesn't need million$ to exist.

I agree, viva la revolucion! I'd rather limited hangout WikiLeaks have million$ than the MSM.

" confused maladjusted lunatic "

LOL. Sad but true. Neither of us know the real Snowden or Cruise, that's my point, not how we identify - but that we identify at all with cardboard cutouts.

Not everything needs to be an "effective dialectic". Time for you to watch those 2 docs and decide how effective they are.

" I live in China, and am free from USG rule. There are huge aspects of my life that the CCP has zero interest in governing. They have almost no interest in anything I say in English. Jurisdictional arbitrage is real, and that is exactly what Snowden employed. "

Just because your government doesn't micromanage everything you do doesn't mean you're not always under some forms of government. You may have freedom and autonomy but you are not in an autonomous zone.

My uncle lived in China for about 20 years, but got old and sickly, and moved back to Victoria, BC, Canada. He loved it there and would go back if he could. I would have liked to have visited, but I was always busy.

" The world is multi-factor "

Exactly. As I said, "the game is played on MANY levels."

" the great upstream causes "

Please explain more. I'm not sure what you mean by this, or the "historical cycle".

Go on believing in your fake Snowden hero. I like what I know of him. But I don't like the lies. Your faith is wasted on a cardboard cutout, but he's certainly one of the better ones.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

While authorities could have done a lot to prevent her from meeting Snowden, it's telling that they didn't.

You're nuts. The US had no say about whether she can go to Russia. Technically they could drone strike her, and technically you're exhibiting signs of mental illness. She had nothing to do with it, she committed no crime, so she was free to go.

I never said I was smarter than Putin. The game is played on MANY levels, and it's to Putin's advantage to not get involved and to let Snowden be, aka "give him refuge".

Yeah it's always wheels within wheels with you types, inventing epicycles to deny the obvious. Heliocentrism is just one cosmic conspiracy!

they certainly have endless funding, time and persistence, with a "particular set of skills"

No, they have none of those things. Ridiculous.

Also, if you're afraid of China spying on you, what makes you think the Five Eyes aren't spying on China? Above all the nation states are the Zionists transnational corporations without boundaries.

No the Zionists and corporations do not rule China, THE CCP RULES CHINA YOU MADMAN

Meaning what? The USA doesn't give a flying fuck about its citizens. It's denied them universal healthcare, taxed the fuck out of them for their global domination games, unleashed propaganda and psyops and staged events on them and there's no shortage of examples of the US government letting their citizens die, from Waco to 9/11 to Flint water to this fake scamdemic and destruction of the economic and food networks - and now pushing for toxic vaccines.

Ah so you don't grasp how US civil liberties work. Canadian. Your comprehension of the USA is cartoonish.

TOR is verified very compromised, started by the Navy.

False. Lying about basic cybersecurity stuff is nuts.

Neither of us know the real Snowden or Cruise, that's my point, not how we identify - but that we identify at all with cardboard cutouts.

False. Both of their personalities shine through in their interactions. Cruise is obviously disturbed.

Please explain more. I'm not sure what you mean by this, or the "historical cycle".

I mean that you are way too excited about the intentional action of intelligence community, Cabal, Zionists etc, and greatly underestimating major causal forces outside of that. For example idealism and even civic religion motivated Snowden's actions. Religion is a prime mover in human affairs. Your conspiracy theory that it is all conspiratorial gears rather than genuine sentiment is an ahistorical lie.

I don't care about Snowden or follow him or have faith in him. I observed him as an interesting psychological case study and then lost interest.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You're nuts.

I guess your limit was reached, your reality threatened, and/or you got tired and decided to get disrespectful. Suddenly you sound like a shill. They always start patient and understanding, then turn gnarly and vicious. Does that tactic actually work on people?

Yeah it's always wheels within wheels with you types, inventing epicycles to deny the obvious. Heliocentrism is just one cosmic conspiracy!

Because you can't see the wheels within wheels doesn't mean they don't exist. You might have an argument that it's much like blind faith in God - except God's actions are completely random. The house of God proves nothing. The tax-funded houses of ALL the countless secret agencies and their employees may be a mystery to most of us, but their results are anything but random as they admit to infiltrating, subverting, and overthrowing countless nations in wars, proxy wars, operations, programs, psyops, and propagand. Less than random, their results ALWAYS favour the ruling class and their deep state.

they certainly have endless funding, time and persistence, with a "particular set of skills"
No, they have none of those things. Ridiculous.

So you buy into all of MSM except that?

Who prints the money?

Who is admittedly sniffing up all communications?

Now who's being ridiculous?

No the Zionists and corporations do not rule China, THE CCP RULES CHINA YOU MADMAN

Yale's Skull & Bones backed the Maoist Revolution and they've remained in control. Look it up and learn something.

https://DuckDuckGo.com/?q=Yale's+Skull+&+Bones+backed+the+Maoist+Revolution

Further, most of the world is completely dominated by central banking, and above the authority of all the nations and all the banks is the B.I.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements (Shaped like a boot, "stomping on the face of humanity forever".)

What nations do/did not have central banks? All of "our enemies": Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, North Korea, Venezuela, etc etc etc.

Ah so you don't grasp how US civil liberties work. Canadian. Your comprehension of the USA is cartoonish.

I've lived in the US for about 10 years and looked across the water at Detroit for another 30 years off an on. I know the USA. I've even made your USA cartoons. I am a professional animator and have lived in NYC, Austin, San Franciso, Oakland, Seattle, etc. I've also consumed too much of your propaganda until I actually delved into alternative media. Maybe it's time for you to wake up from your own cartoon.

False. Lying about basic cybersecurity stuff is nuts.

It's not nuts, it's warning people. TOR is not basic, and it's not secure. If I'm wrong I'll admit it. Prove me wrong and change my mind. You've provided zero links to support your attacks.

False. Both of their personalities shine through in their interactions. Cruise is obviously disturbed.

Tom Cruise is a fucking professional actor. You have no idea what is for show and what is not. Pretending to proves you're either subconsciously ignorant or intentionally ignorant.

I mean that you are way too excited about the intentional action of intelligence community, Cabal, Zionists etc, and greatly underestimating major causal forces outside of that. For example idealism and even civic religion motivated Snowden's actions. Religion is a prime mover in human affairs.

What is the "intelligence community" for if not to shape events and perceptions? What ever "idealism and even civic religion" or other dogmas the Snowden actor projected were intentional to lend gravitas and authenticity to his psyop mission and to server the ruling class and their matrix of rigged systems that form the establishment.

Your conspiracy theory that it is all conspiratorial gears rather than genuine sentiment is an ahistorical lie.

If you want to say so. You've provided NOTHING that disproves what I and /u/Jesus has stated. All you've displayed is obedience and blind faith to the MSM narrative 'cause yur feelz.

I don't care about Snowden or follow him or have faith in him. I observed him as an interesting psychological case study and then lost interest.

Yet you still defend the idea of him.

[–]Leo_Littlebook 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Yale's Skull & Bones backed the Maoist Revolution and they've remained in control.

Insane. Blocked.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

/u/Leo_Littlebook, SaidItter for 4 months, is a shill.

Prove me wrong and I'll recant.

/u/Jesus and /u/Tom_Bombadil, I figured you'd want to know if you didn't already. Don't waste your time arguing those who refuse to even look at the evidence provided.

/u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr, The "block" function is a terrible idea. An "unfriend" list that colour changes names would be better.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The "block" function is a terrible idea.

Indeed, it is!

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, I think it just leads to bad faith users

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think he was referring to certain Skull and Bones members who indeed push Maoist ideology and for the revolution. Sort of like how Schiff, a Capitalist banker backed Trotsky. Skull and Bones is a corporation of brothers after all, no different than to the Freemasonic corporations chartered in the 18th century.