You Want To Sit In The Park In A Capitalist Shit Hole? How Many Coins Do You Have?

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Also socialism are envisioned by the west is just ineffective and detrimental state support financed entirely by capitalism. It's not an economic model, it's just a leech on the success of capitalism.

Are you aware that the definition of "socialism" that you are using in order to say that is literally COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA? You are using an Orewllian Newspeak, communist-backed PsyOp to co-opt and destroy the meaning of the word "socialism" in order to conflate it with communism and thus render whole populations unable to think the full spectrum of socioeconomic thought? Did you read 1984?

Socialism is used IN EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY except THE COMMUNIST ONES. Among those, the least socialist nation is probably the USA and that's why it's a relatively shitty place to live. Needing to sell a lung in order to pay for your heart surgery is not a good system. Socialism means, among other things:

  • Laws against child labor;
  • Limited work hours;
  • Minimum wages;
  • Retirement plans;
  • Health plans;
  • State-regulated disability insurance;
  • Unemployment;
  • Social security;
  • Food stamps;
  • Free education;
  • Free healthcare;
  • Many other things;

Countries that are on the capitalist/socialist system are, among many others: the UK, Canada, France, Germany, all of scandinavia, and many many others. Even the USA is part of this, although it's close to the PURE SLAVERY end of the socialism spectrum.

The early socialists were anarchists and libertarians, and were in utter opposition to the drivel Marx spouted when he said utter nonsense such as "socialism is but a step leading towards communism". It's communist propaganda and in fact, socialists have always been utterly ANTI-COMMUNIST. The truest socialists, the national socialists, were eradicated by trying to stamp out communism. And most likely were warred upon by pretty much the entire world BECAUSE they were attempting that.

Socialism stands ABSOLUTELY opposed to communism. It is its antithesis.

We have a new s/cooperatives about the cooperative model. But it's basically a group of people associating together to create goods or services. A bit like a corporation, but without the revolting anti-human traits of corporations.

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communist-backed PsyOp to co-opt and destroy the meaning of the word "socialism" in order to conflate it with communism

Marx himself called Communism "rational socialism" so get to fuck with that. Socialism is communism by the back door.

Among those, the least socialist nation is probably the USA and that's why it's a relatively shitty place to live. Needing to sell a lung in order to pay for your heart surgery is not a good system.

Like fuck is it. Get your head out of your arse.

Socialism means, among other things:

No, it doesn't.

on the capitalist/socialist system are

I note even you are incapable of separating the two. That's because social state spending is entirely dependant on capitalism.

although it's close to the PURE SLAVERY

Oh shut up you fucking cretin. Move out of your parents' shit-filled basement.

We have a new s/cooperatives about the cooperative model.

We have actually plenty of coops in the UK. Coop, Waitrose, union banks, etc. They are just shit, expensive companies.

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Marx himself called Communism "rational socialism" so get to fuck with that. Socialism is communism by the back door.

Yes, he did. That's why it's COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA which you are repeating. Marx was a commie, and you are using him as your reference for "truth". Are you a communist? Because, yet again, you are repeating COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA. They've gone on a very intense brainwashing campaign for about a century now, and most English-speaking people repeat these communist lies as if they were truth.

Socialism is a PHILOSOPHY OF GOVERNANCE, not an economic system. Capitalism and communism are economic systems. Socialism is a philosophy of governance that CANNOT BE USED along with any other economic system than the capitalist one. It is because of the very nature of capitalism, which is predatorial, that socialism is required. Socialism, the roots of which are in the works of anarchists and libertarians, means tilting the balance back from company owners to ordinary folk. Because it is a fact that if capitalism is left unchecked, the rich get richer and the rest get poorer. If you want that, have fun becoming a slave, because that is directly where it leads.

Oh shut up you fucking cretin. Move out of your parents' shit-filled basement.

Thank you for this. I am a >50 year old economist with a nice career behind me and many a millionaire created by myself using the stock market. But please do go on about how I am ignorant and inexperienced.

Yes, there may be "coops" in the UK, but they're CORPORATION cooperatives, not PURE cooperatives, huge difference.

The actual definition of socialism, absent COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA:

I. Definition

Socialism is an economic philosophy based on the need for regulations on capitalism. Unchecked capitalism, most economists agree, can create serious problems in the long term, since short-term personal profit does not motivate companies to take care of infrastructure, the environment, or their workers. Socialists emphasize this fact and argue that only the government can solve the problems created by capitalism. Other economic philosophies generally acknowledge the problem, but advocate other solutions to it, while only a few extremists deny that there is any problem with absolute capitalism.

Although many people think that socialism and capitalism are completely incompatible systems, the fact is that most developed nations operate on a combination of both. For example, nearly every major city in the developed world has some system of government-run public transportation, such as bus lines or a subway. There are also laws against child labor, unsafe workplaces, and reckless pollution, and government programs that help provide education, food, and healthcare to the poor. All of these are socialist ideas that exist in relative harmony with capitalist economies. Capitalism vs. socialism is a question of balance, not an “either/or” question.

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