Study: Electric cars losing value twice as fast as gas vehicles – Survey: Growing portion of US shoppers are rejecting EVs

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

On the other hand pounds of material excavated isn't destroying the earth, but greenhouse emissions are.

[–]brimshae 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah.... I've remember back in the seventies hearing about how we're all going to freeze to death because of car exhaust fumes. It's just science!

I also remember back in the 80s when paper grocery bags were going to cause all the trees to be gone, so we should use plastic bags to save the environment. It's just science!

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah.... I've remember back in the seventies hearing about how we're all going to freeze to death because of car exhaust fumes. It's just science!

You might have breathed too many of those car exhaust fumes if you thought that car fumes were through to freeze anyone, even in the 70s.

I also remember back in the 80s when paper grocery bags were going to cause all the trees to be gone

That might be damage from the leaded exhaust fumes rather than a memory of genuine argument that paper bags would "cause all the trees to be gone".

CO2 has been known to be a greenhouse gas for a lot longer than that. The first calculation of the effect on temperature of a doubling was in the late 1800s.

Supermarket bags were never a significant proportion of national paper consumption.

[–]Davethe_blank_ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

you need to GTFO with your propaganda. CO2 is .04% of the atmosphere. Water vapor does all the heat trapping that CO2 does and more. The temp records show that temp rise precedes CO2 rises, showing that raised temps brought the CO2, not the CO2 causing the temp rise. So you are dead wrong with every word you type.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you need to GTFO with your propaganda.

It's not rocket science, mate. Greenhouse gases cause the greenhouse effect.

CO2 is .04% of the atmosphere.

By volume, yes. 0.042%, and rising.

Or about 0.064% by mass.

Which is about 3.3 trillion tonnes of CO2, or about 6.5kg over every square metre of the planet.

(1.3 pounds per square foot, for those yet to learn metric)

Water vapor does all the heat trapping that CO2 does and more.

Water vapor is an important feedback. A warmer atmosphere holds more water vapor on average, magnifying the warming.

But it doesn't change the climate of itself. The residency time in the atmosphere is about a week and a half. Stick a whole lot of water vapor in the atmosphere, and you don't melt Greenland. You get rain at some point in the following 10 or so days.

The temp records show that temp rise precedes CO2 rises, showing that raised temps brought the CO2, not the CO2 causing the temp rise.

You're confusing the change from glaciation to interglacial of the glaciation cycles and the current warning. (And you appear to have misunderstood those).

The current warming is CO2 first.

It was already rising by 1750: https://www.climate.gov/media/14596

But temperatures didn't hit a minimum until about 1910: http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap15/global_temp.html

(For the start of the interglacials, the CO2 starts moving slightly first, but the increase in CO2 and temperature is mostly simultaneous).

So you are dead wrong with every word you type.

Oh, the irony.