Non-woke liberals describe 'living hell' caused by Minneapolis homeless encampments

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I find it strange that so many conservatives think that homeless encampments are the problem, rather than the symptom of the problem.

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I have never heard anyone say that. Also these people being interviewed seem far from conservative. They are victims of the local governments lack of dealing with the symptoms of the homeless problem.

[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's more a case where you'll get people clamoring for the local government to clean up the homelessness encampments, typically takes the form of various anti-vagrancy laws that function to sweep the homeless under the rug so to speak, or rather to push them to another town and let it be their problem (free bus tickets for the homeless programs and the like).

Actually dealing with the problem effectively at a grassroots level would involve a multifaceted approach that would require you to identify the homeless as those who are homeless by circumstance, homeless by means of insanity drug related or otherwise, or homeless due to personal choice, and your approach to each group needs to differ accordingly, in the first case giving them free housing and the like is effective as they'll get back to being productive citizens once they stabilize their life, the second, requires you to institutionalize them or at the very least provide them with treatment for their aliment, the latter case you can safely do nothing about as once you deal with the former categories the number of truly lazy "I don't wanna work types" is small and instead you get people who prefer a vagrant lifestyle for whatever reason, they're typically not going to be the ones causing issues and can simply be ignored.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In CA there are many outreach programs that provide housing at least in the form of temporary shelter. You can ask any outreach worker, the offer of housing is usually refused. Homeless are often mentally ill and/or drug addicts and the addicts would prefer to stay in their open air drug markets where they can do their drugs.

Those people have to be given the choice between treatment and housing or forced treatment and confinement. Camping on sidewalks cannot be an option.

You cannot keep giving out carrots with no sticks. Many drug addicts love the lifestyle.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree you need the stick. In this case if people are refusing housing due to drug addiction or another mental malady then they need to be institutionalized. I think the choice you give them is easy, they can go to housing, they can go to hospital, or they can go to jail. Which do you want?

And obviously you take their drugs away from them. I'm somewhat keen on the idea of not tossing drug users into prison en masse as I don't think it helps much but that only works if you actually have cops arresting and confiscating drugs from everyone who even tries to use them in public.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because you have been brainwashed into believing that the homeless are just like every other working person except that they have been victimized into being homeless. That is an absurd lie.

The homeless choose to not work. They choose to do drugs they can't afford. There are already homeless shelters everywhere, but they don't take drug users. There are already rehab facilities that will help them get off of drugs, but they don't want that. They can't hold down a job because they choose to get high every day. Their choices are the problem.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Spoken like someone who's never spent any time with street people.