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[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If it's about nowhere to shit, why did you and I not shit in the streets when we were in SF?

You're overemphasizing the secondary problem. The primary problem is that the "social services" system which is supposed to rehabilitate people who end up on the bottom is profoundly dysfunctional.

There are two groups: the addicts and treatable mentally ill, and the mentally ill for whom treatment on an outpatient basis is ineffective. For the first group, social services needs to be re-oriented away from "affirming the person no matter what" to "having the person learn the behaviors required to live in less squalid conditions as a requisite of receiving benefits". For the second group, we need to accept that involuntary institutionalization is an unfortunate and sad necessity for these people, preferable to them imposing their unacceptable (and far too often dangerous) lifestyles upon the broader population. Them wandering the streets is not helpful for them any more than it is for the rest of us living and working around them.

[–]Hematomato 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If it's about nowhere to shit, why did you and I not shit in the streets when we were in SF?

Well obviously there are plenty of places to shit if you have money. Just pop into any bar or restaurant, buy a beer, take a dump, and then either drink the beer or don't.

If you don't have money, you pretty much have one option. The sidewalk.

Like I said, if you're talking about "teaching the behaviors required to live in less squalid conditions," well, you're putting the cart before the horse. It doesn't do anyone any good to be "taught" to use a toilet if they can't find a toilet.

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Personally I think if you can’t afford to take a shit in private you shouldn’t be allowed to live in that place. Options should be, leave the city, or go to jail or an institution. The latter two options are expensive, but undesirable enough that most will take the first option.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Expensive to enforce.