How come they all waited till the 'Orange' man was out of office before mysteriously lifting restrictions?

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[–]pandorasbox 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (37 children)

There never was a virus.. don't get me wrong, viruses are a thing, but covid is 109% a hoax, it is a political weapon.

https://rumble.com/v1wcs7o-died-suddenly-2022-full-documentary.html

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

There never was a virus.. don't get me wrong, viruses are a thing, but covid is 109% a hoax, it is a political weapon.

Oh, FFS.

They've sequenced dozens of versions of the fucking thing. It's killed millions of people. You can buy test kits that detect the antigens you produce from exposure to it at the local chemist.

https://rumble.com/v1wcs7o-died-suddenly-2022-full-documentary.html

If you believe that, you need to work on your fact checking and your critical thinking.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (26 children)

It's killed millions of people.

No it has not. Excess mortality statistics prove that covid did not kill people, but the vaccines have.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Excess mortality statistics prove that covid did not kill people, but the vaccines have.

Oh do they? I didn't know that. Can you explain it a bit?

How can you work out from excess mortality statistics which excess deaths are from the disease and which from the vaccines?

[–]JohnRaymond 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

CDC, FDA showed years of utter bad faith. Criminal doesn't get it.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

CDC, FDA showed years of utter bad faith.

What's your rationale here?

Criminal doesn't get it.

Which criminal doesn't get what?

[–]JohnRaymond 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

They had abysmal reporting system for one

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Had? So the current one is good?

How do you get from reporting system to "years of utter bad faith"?

[–]JohnRaymond 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Ok, we' all give you 5th grade teaching position to edit papers

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

To sum up, you think that the CDC and FDA showed years of utter bad faith, because they had "abysmal reporting system".

And you've got no capacity to clarify that at all.

We might have to leave it there then mate.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Timing. During the entire time that we were being told that millions of people were dying from covid the excess mortality did not go up. That means that there was no noticable increase in death from covid.

The the vaccines came on the market and excess mortalitu spiked and has been high ever since.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

During the entire time that we were being told that millions of people were dying from covid the excess mortality did not go up.

A lot of places were above normal death rate, even in 2020 before the vaccines, weren't they?: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?time=earliest..2020-12-13&country=MEX~RUS~ZAF~GBR~DEU~USA~BRA~EGY

The the vaccines came on the market and excess mortalitu spiked and has been high ever since.

There would still be some people dying of the disease though wouldn't there? COVID didn't disappear when the vaccines came on the market. In a lot of places it didn't peak until the omicron variant was wandering around, and by then most of the lockdowns had finished because most people were vaccinated.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

A lot of places

No. I'm sure you could cherry pick some data, but that is not true for "a lot of places".

There would still be some people dying of the disease though wouldn't there?

There are always people dying. There should have been more people dying before the vaccine than after. In fact that was what all the news media were reporting. Yet the data shows this is a lie.

The death rate spiked with the rollout of the vaccine. It did NOT spike druing the "worst pandemic in modern history".

In a lot of places it didn't peak until the omicron

Not true at all. That is not a correlation the data shows. And besides that Omicron is by any rational estimate far milder than delta and the original strain. That it came out during the vaccine rollout does not mean we can pretend that it was omicron causing the spike in death.

The data shows it was the vaccine. And logic backs it up.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No. I'm sure you could cherry pick some data, but that is not true for "a lot of places".

I was trying to get relatively large countries with a reasonable geographic spread when I chose Mexico, Russia, South Africa, United Kingdom, Germany, United States, Brazil and Egypt. I wasn't cherry picking: Although I did avoid Australia because lockdowns there wipe covid out of the country between October 2020 and July 2021.

And they do all seem to have positive excess mortality on average for 2020.

How would you select a sample of countries where it's not true, without cherry picking?

There are always people dying.

I certainly accept that. What's the relevance?

There should have been more people dying before the vaccine than after.

That's not obvious to me, because most countries were doing fairly heavy lockdowns before the vaccine, and the more contagious strains didn't appear until after the vaccines.

So I guess that my question is how do you calculate that there should have been more people dying before the vaccine. In particular, how many more should there have been, according to your calculations?

Yet the data shows this is a lie.

Right. But which data are you looking at that shows this to be a lie?

The death rate spiked with the rollout of the vaccine.

I don't see that. But lets look at your data.

Not true at all. That is not a correlation the data shows.

Okay. Show me your data.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

the more contagious strains didn't appear until after the vaccines.

More contagious does not mean more dangerous. Every new strain is milder than the last. Which makes your belif that new strains cause more death completely absurd.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So I guess that my question is how do you calculate that there should have been more people dying before the vaccine.

If the vaccine did anything at all, be it reduce spread or reduce symptoms, the logically fewer people would die after it was administered.

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    [–]JohnRaymond 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm very sorry. Covid was s sham. The deathvax will cause even more carnage as time goes by. Satanic

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I'm sorry for your almost loss, if that's true.

    However, an anecdote is not evidence.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cdc-suddenly-vaccines-idUSL1N33A21Y

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-02/fact-check-debunking-died-suddenly/101720550

    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/

    https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/the-film-died-suddenly-rehashes-debunked-claims-conspiracy-theories-covid-19-vaccines/

    Rent a clue

    [–]JohnRaymond 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh! That settled it! Fact checkers. They are whores and traitors

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      [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I didn't know that health was measured in %.

      You said she was almost dead. I sympathised with your almost loss. Now that the numbers are in: I'm 90% sorry for your 90% loss.

      It is an anecdote. A study with one person, not randomly selected, not blinded and with no control group is not a trial.

      [–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Yeah man it's killed like bazillions and gigagillions of people bro. Don't ya know? Man this guy is stupid huh? I bet he even upvotes himself.

      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Probably between 7 and 13 million, bro:

      Just How Do Deaths Due to COVID-19 Stack Up?

      [–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah bro. You're smart. Fuck these idiots. I upvoted you, make sure you hit it with those alts, only the cool kids upvote themselves. I didn't click on that, I only do what Don Lemon tells me to do.