Saidit users who aren't "alt-right," why aren't you?

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[–]SoCo 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

I'm a center-left Democrat, always have been. It's just that DNC have become against democracy and no longer even resemble Democrat values. Also, today's left, has turned to alt-left nutjobs, and they call center-left right any more.

It's all just posture shifting and faking support for any dumb-ass idea that draw in the campaign cash. Good, non-corrupt, politicians don't exist in a political system that gauges value and limits election entry, solely by the ability of each hustle cash like a crooked snake-oil salesman.

Them calling everyone they disagree with "alt-right" or exaggeratingly associating them nefarious things, is just that fascist anti-democratic mindset showing through it's true colors.

[–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Fascism is not anti-democratic, it's anti-liberal but it is democracy par excellence. Every citizen has much more participation and influence in state affairs under fascism than liberal states.

The rest of your comment is right though, the democrat party serve only their paymasters. Same as republicans. Hence why they both take completely nonsensical, self-contradictory etc positions constantly. It's all just theatre.

[–]Alphix 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

So many people fail to understand this about fascism because of all the brainwashing in the media, edumacatation and other bullshittery.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

So many people also fail to understand why tyranny of the majority is a legitimate concern.

[–]Alphix 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

A society can only function when substantially all its members play the same game (of life) by the same rules. This means that a functional society is fairly homogeneous, rendering the idea that "tyranny by the majority" might somehow present a problem, a non-issue.

Also Fascism embraces EXCELLENCE, so the "tyranny" is one of excellence. Oh, how terrible to have values of greatness, beauty and goodness, instead of the marxist-communist view that we are all sacks of flesh on their way to becoming compost whose only purpose is to SERVE the all-powerful STATE, or the capitalist view that our only purpose is buy shit we don't need with money we don't have.

Fascism calls on the individual to become the best he can possibly be, celebrating the process and achievement thereof, while both communism and capitalism reduces persons to cogs in the wheels of the economy. And no, capitalism isn't characterized by hierarchies of competence, no matter what Jordan Peterson says.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Collectivism benefits an imaginary concept, not real people. It sounds sacred to our ears, but really it oppresses everyone, no matter its form.

You know how communism works. But fascism is not much better. It reduces individuals to cogs of vain societal glory. Fundamentally it's the same thing, the idea that society is God. Good grief, you've got a long way to go before you figure out that the world is actually a prison like the matrix.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You write from a perspective that perceives Fascism as being top-down, when in fact it is down-top-down. It is ROOTED in the people's uniting qualities. It is not collectivist, it is united individualism, just as the fascii symbols represent. Individuals, united by their shared values, traditions, aims and qualities.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

United into enforcing conformity and absolute obedience....that's just collectivism with extra steps. As a matter of fact collectivism has to be "down top down", otherwise it would just be oligarchy.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You are contradicting yourself. If Fascism is down top down, then there is no enforced conformity or any kind of obedience. The people are a certain way, and this way of being becomes recognized as the 'soul of the nation'. It ALREADY IS the soul of the nation, because the people are that way. It is natural for them, due to their shared history, traditions, values and circumstances.

Then the Fascist nation codifies these traits that already forms the soul of the nation into a national identity and ideals WHICH ARE ALREADY AND NATURALLY at the core of this people. But this codification protects against subversion and degeneracy. Now I understand, you are proud of being a degenerate, but it is not a good thing. Just the fact you are proud of it demonstrates how revolting it objectively is. It is a cancer that starts thinking it is the person, and the person, a cancer.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I am not proud of anything. I simply don't agree with tyranny. Nor any of the systems designed to keep this going.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

it's anti-liberal but it is democracy par excellence. Every citizen has much more participation and influence in state affairs under fascism than liberal states.

I also deeply believe this but I have trouble articulating it to people.

[–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Origins and Doctrine of Fascism somewhat discusses this. (not doctrine of fascism)

[–]MarkimusNational Justice Party[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Page 28 / Chapter 13 (XIII)

The Fascist State, therefore, as distinct from the Nationalist State, is an entirely spiritual creation. It is a national State, because from the point of view of Fascism, it is the result of spiritual action rather than a presupposition. The nation is never complete—nor is the State simply the nation in its concrete political form. The State is always in fieri. It is all always in our hands. It is therefore our own immense responsibility. But this State that realizes itself in the consciousness and will of the individual, rather than being imposed from on high, cannot have the same relationship with the people imagined by Nationalism. They imagined that the State corresponded with the nation, and conceived both as an already existing entity that it was not necessary to create, but which it was only necessary to come to know. That preexisting entity required a ruling class, characteristically intellectual, that sensed that entity, that first required to be known, understood, appraised, and exalted. The authority of the State was not a product, but a presupposition. It could not depend on the people, in fact, the people depended on the State. The authority that the people were required to recognize was the very precondition of life. Without that authority, sooner or later, one would have to acknowledge that survival was not possible. The Nationalist state was aristocratic state, that constructed itself out of the force it inherited from its origin, that made it valued by the masses. The Fascist State, on the other hand, is a popular state, and, in that sense, a democratic State par excellence. The relationship between the State and the individual is not that between it and one or the other citizen, but with every citizen. Every citizen shares a relationship with the State that is so intimate that the State exists only in so far as it is made to exist by the citizen. Thus, its formation is a product of the consciousness of each individual, and thus of the masses, in which the power of the State consists.

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Isn't this beautiful? Those who oppose this, I believe simply don't understand it.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing that. Good stuff.