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[–]cons_ncConstitution Party 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Get government out of the Church. That's my position. Government should have absolutely zero to do with the institution of marriage.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

The institution of marriage doesn't come from the church. It exists in nearly every culture around the world.

The church didn't even get involved in marriage until around 1000 years ago. The first 1000 years of Christianity marriages were all civil contracts.

[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes agreed, the problem is the main reason for civil marriage got chucked out when they made divorce laws much less strict. The whole point was to basically toss in government penalties to make sure every party was doing their marital duty. Otherwise the guy or the girl might just fuck off and leave the other to fend for the kids themselves.

No point in forcing couples who hate each other to be together. But the entire concept of no-fault divorce when children are involved shouldn't exist. Before kids come into the picture? If both parties agree whatever they're adults. After the kids have grown up and left? Whatever.

Gay people want to get the same civil benefits of marriage, I think that's fine, I don't care really. Put carve outs in place for religious organizations and what not so we don't have the rediculous nonsense of gays whining about discrimination because one out of like 100 bakers available wouldn't bake them a wedding cake. Boo hoo. Stop taking attention away from real issues that gay people have to deal with, like getting fired because your boss found out you were gay, getting denied housing, etc. Not a fucking gay ass cake.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think the other big reason the church got involved in marriage was the rich were all marrying their cousins to keep wealth in the family and becoming even more inbred and deformed than they are now.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well the church got involved in marriage largely so they could control it. Who got married and who didn't. Also money. Marriage industry makes loads and the church naturally wants their piece.

Who married Adam and Eve?

[–]cons_ncConstitution Party 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I understand that to the atheist this is historically observable, however for we Christians marriage is a binding covenant between a man, woman, and God. The State has nothing to do with it effectually.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So if the husband dies the estate should get fully taxed before it goes to the wife because marriage has nothing to do with government they should be treated just like any other unrelated individuals.

[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No, property taxes should be abolished.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a different argument

[–]cons_ncConstitution Party 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You can leave your estate to whoever you specify

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But it's not taxed when it goes to a married partner because the marriage is tied to the state.

[–]cons_ncConstitution Party 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or the end inheritance taxes completely and this is all a moot point. We need a Convention of States to repeal the 16th amendment. Federal government will never vote their hands from our pockets.