This is an actual tweet from Joe Biden

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[–]blowininthewind 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

i mean this is correct in a sense from a classic liberal standpoint (john stuart mill) that the individual ought to be free to do as they wished unless they caused harm to others.

[–]One_Jack_MoveLibertarian Party 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I hope you aren't suggesting that not getting the vax is "causing harm to others". That line is Bullshit. Way more harm has come to others from world leaders/governments locking us all down for a year. The damage from their overreaction will go one for decades! For what could have been pretty much done with in a year if we just isolated the at-risk until the vax was ready and then let people decide what the best choice is for their own personal risk-reward of getting the vax. That is a Libertarian (classic liberal?) point of view, IMO.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you accept that harm to others includes sickness and death, then it's not bullshit.

The way to safely lift the lockdown is to be vaccinated. Or have everyone follow the lockdown rules for a few weeks.

In the meantime there literally no harm and C summer good from watching a mask. Most magahats are better looking with a mask on.

How the fuck do you get so manipulated by the Russian social media attacks on the US that you think wearing a mask is a beach of civil rights?

[–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The way to safely lift the lockdown is to be vaccinated. Or have everyone follow the lockdown rules for a few weeks.

Which one was Florida doing this whole time? Or Texas?

They fared no worse relative to other states, and I believe that tells us there are details about the transmission of this virus that have been badly misunderstood over the last year. We might've latched on to bad recommendations because of this. But, even if governments knew that masks only made a minimal difference right from the start, they would probably still tell everyone to wear them as a panacea, to make the populace feel like we are in control, and "doing our part" to help. It's well-meaning and understandable.

Officials always get obsessed about technical definitions so they can look up the correct protocols to recommend from their manual. They are unthinking bureaucrats. Like remember last February/March when they were hesitant to call it a "pandemic" and were quibbling about the precise definition of the term? I think the same is true about questions like whether this virus should now be reclassified as "airborne" which was also widely denied as they pushed for the "droplets" explanation, and then "aerosols" for so long instead.

Droplets & aerosols would justify the 2m rule and masking. But distance wouldn't actually help for an airborne virus, and neither would masks. I predict that "lockdowns" in apartment buildings with shared HVAC systems didn't help us much either. It's possible that other recommendations focusing on dilution would've had better results instead: improve ventilation, open windows, gather outside, etc. Assuming they're willing to admit it's been airborne this whole time of course.

How the fuck do you get so manipulated

Sure, some people are easily manipulated and don't think for themselves. But it's possible to disagree for well-founded reasons and contradictory evidence too. It shouldn't be a tribal team-mask vs. team no-mask argument assuming everyone is stupid. Are you manipulated to "trust the science", or have you looked into it? If you did, would you allow yourself to raise questions and have a solid discussion about it?

I'm not "anti-mask" by the way. There's much more interesting depth to the issue that's worth actually discussing.