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[–]NodeIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

You're in the covid cult? Did you get free fries and a burger with that?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

CoVID cult?

People who don't intend to go around spreading CoVID?

Wrong way round, mate.

[–]NodeIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

People who don't intend to go around spreading CoVID?

No, people who believe in the covid hoax. It's like a new breatharianism.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Is that how communists are trying to increase the impact on the us economy?

By spreading that it's all a hoax?

What do to think is killing the people?

[–]NodeIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What do to think is killing the people?

You're saying the ONLY thing you've read about this for the past year is Official State Propaganda? Do you also happen to use reddit, and watch one of the late night comedians on television?

Okay then, people in positions of power in the government and corporations have your individual best interests in mind, and would never choose money and power over your health or reproductive abilities. Go ahead and get one of those substances injected into your body.

https://files.catbox.moe/ybp658.mp4

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Okay, you've linked to a video of a guy who, in Belgium promoted the H1N1 vaccine.

He's not talking about money or power. Which makes sense. Vaccines is a poor vehicle for money making as they're pretty cheap and the margins are low. They're probably the most cost-effective medical intervention that humanity has.

Go ahead and get one of those substances injected into your body.

Of course. As soon as I'm able.

What do you think is the cause of the 500,000 extra deaths in the US in 2020 than in 2019?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

He's not talking about money or power. Which makes sense. Vaccines is a poor vehicle for money making as they’re pretty cheap and the margins are low.

Nope

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/02/vaccines-are-profitable-so-what/385214/

Profit margins are high, and we are talking about several billion people * $40 to $60 dollars. Thats just for the first round. But since they haven’t solved the ADE problem young people may have no other choice but to get boosters indefinitely.

A course of ivermectin is safe enough to be sold OTC and would cost about 7 bucks. To cure covid. Because there’s no patent on it so billionaires dont get a cut. Ivermectin in early stage covid results in ~99% resolution ( prevention of progression to severe form.) But you can’t make money that way.

I can’t believe that video doesn’t bother you. You claim to care about people dying of covid but I guess you are okay with the contempt that that guy clearly has for the peasants.

What do you think is the cause of the 500,000 extra deaths in the US in 2020 than in 2019?

Covid. Were you the one I was discussing this number with before? I think so. I absolutely believe they have undercounted covid deaths by 100 or 150 thousand. I believe these are nursing home deaths.

This is the only place where it would be disincentivized to report covid deaths but the incentive to allow old people to die of it without reporting it would be very high. You probably know how the financing of nursing homes works to some extent. If they report these deaths as covid deaths they would be investigated and sued. They quarantined all these places from visitors so it was easy to keep prying eyes out.

That is where your missing covid cases are, mark my words.

Trust oligarchs though.

Interesting sidenote. Like covid, H1N1 was also developed and leaked from a lab that was developing it as a bioweapon. And it has a cure. No one has to die of flu if they get cheap antivirals early in their illness. They cured the flu ages ago. They cured the cold. Hydroxychloroquine, among others, cures all that shit.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Profit margins are high, and we are talking about several billion people * $40 to $60 dollars.

I accept this correction that profit margins have improved. But starting from a bar so low that pharma companies were getting out of vaccines altogether.

A study released last year estimated that fully immunizing babies resulted in $10 saved for every dollar spent, about $69 billion total.

Sounds like they could price them at about 5 times the price and they'd still be a good buy.

Covid. [...] I absolutely believe they have undercounted covid deaths by 100 or 150 thousand. I believe these are nursing home deaths.

Good. Sorry, I'm not always across who I'm talking to, and there seems to be a fair amount of "COVID is a hoax" going on in here.

Interesting sidenote. Like covid, H1N1 was also developed and leaked from a lab that was developing it as a bioweapon.

Okay, that lacks plausibility. The first known H1N1 outbreak was the 1918 flu pandemic. Who do you claim had bioweapon technology sufficient to engineer a virus as at the end of WWI?

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

A study released last year estimated that fully immunizing babies resulted in $10 saved for every dollar spent, about $69 billion total.

This study, sponsored by Bill and Melinda Gates, never calculates the cost of recipients disabled with autism and autoimmune illness. The CDC dosn’t acknowlege that those things can even occur and they have never performed a randomized study on the rates of these illnesses in vaccinated individuals vs control group ever.

But I guarantee you, a large portion of both autoimmune sufferers and autistic/neuroatypical people got that way from a vaccine and the the cost is going to be higher than 69 billion dollars for that shit.

Besides, they are calculating costs for shit like measles based on data from the ‘50s and from health data from Bangladesh. It just doesn’t make sense to take measles fatality data from those data sets.

And they are adding societal costs to individual costs and that is a very sort of vague thing to quantify. Its kind of what ever you want it to be.

They have entire departments at most medical schools that are simply focused on statistical fuckery of public health data. They are always called School for Public Health Policy Informatics or some shit like that. They just teach people how to lie with data analysis, its really shameful. Nobody ever checks their assumptions because everybody hates math.

Good. Sorry, I'm not always across who I'm talking to, and there seems to be a fair amount of "COVID is a hoax" going on in here.

Yeah Ive been fighting other right wingers online all year on this score. The “its just the flu” crowd. It does bear a close resemblance to some cold virues and it can be killed by the same antivirals that kill the cold virus and a lot of other flu like viruses. When the viral levels are low.

Because the virus replicates so rapidly it is like a flu times 50. The viral load is thouasands of times higher that with a typical flu. Thats why its so bad.

Many relatively healthy people get a small exposure ( low number of virions at exposure ) and have a mild case because their immune system can overtake the exponential growth curve of the virus. Older people and people with high exposure cannot build a sufficient response in time to surpress the viral growth. Antivirals slow the viral growth rate, and they do it more effectively when the viral load is still low which is around the time of symptom onset.

Im telling you this because Anthony Fauci will not. But its easily verifiable. Early treatment will cure nearly everyone. We could have fatality rates similar to the flu if antivirals were distributed to seniors or sold OTC.

Okay, that lacks plausibility.

H1N1 circulated for decades and then the most common variant basically became extinct for about 20 years. Then a new highly virulent form showed up in 1978 in Russia which was speculated to be from a leak from a Soviet bioweapons program. More recent genetic studies showed it was related to the extinct variant but may have been tampered with (Gain of function)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu

There are multiple studies that are cited in the article

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This study, sponsored by Bill and Melinda Gates, never calculates the cost of recipients disabled with autism and autoimmune illness.

That would be because autism is not associated with any vaccine ever.

Not one. There has never been a vaccine that has been related to austism.

The CDC dosn’t acknowlege that those things can even occur and they have never performed a randomized study on the rates of these illnesses in vaccinated individuals vs control group ever.

There's plenty of studies in the literature on the (lack of) link between Austism and vaccinations. Autoimmune reactions are complicated to study. You need a genetic predisposition to develop them, and then they're generally set off by an infection, by plausibly by a vaccination as well. The problem , is that it's statistically difficult in a ethical study (ie not giving a control group an infection to see if they get an auto immune reaction) to tease out which autoimmune disorders would have occurred eventually anyway, as the immune systems get exposed to antigens in the environment.

But I guarantee you, a large portion of both autoimmune sufferers and autistic/neuroatypical people got that way from a vaccine

Alright. Good to know of this guarantee.

But perhaps you'll understand and even expect my skepticism. Do you have any research that demonstrates this guaranteed cause of "a larger proportion of" autism to vaccines?

... out of curiosity, by "a large proportion" are we talking more than half?

H1N1 circulated for decades and then the most common variant basically became extinct for about 20 years. Then a new highly virulent form showed up in 1978 in Russia which was speculated to be from a leak from a Soviet bioweapons program.

Thanks for that. I didn't know that, and it's genuinely interesting.