George Floyd Body cam Video Shows he was saying "I can't Breath" way before being put on the Ground.

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[–]quickbeam 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

Is it considered good policing practice to put people who are already telling you they can't breathe onto the ground and putting them in a chokehold for over 8 minutes past the point when they have appeared to lose consciousness? Is that better, somehow?

[–]scrubking[S] 27 insightful - 7 fun27 insightful - 6 fun28 insightful - 7 fun -  (20 children)

It is good policing practice to subdue scumbags who are lying to not get put in the squad car and taken to jail. They gave him every opportunity and he would not stop resisting arrest. I used to blame the cop at first, but now no way. The cop is innocent of all charges.

[–]quickbeam 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

There is no justifiable reason for a police officer to murder an unarmed person. None. They managed to bring in almost every white mass shooter no problem, so they can bring in some random guy who wrote a forged check or they are incompetent at best, cruel and murderous at worst.

[–]yayblueberries 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (18 children)

And there was no justifiable reason for the entire country to blow up into riots over this one piece of shit junkie but it did.

I love how you people who claim to be so morally pure only have your morals apply to pieces of shit. Destroying the businesses of people who likely aren't even racist is somehow totally okay though, and this scumbag repeatedly committing crimes is somehow okay as well. I don't feel the tiniest bit bad for Floyd, he was a complete loser.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

It has nothing to do with him being a junkie. What happened was WRONG. He was a POS? Whatever! All lives matter. When pigs act like pure thugs, THERE IS A PROBLEM.

They could have tazed the guy to weaken him, then forcibly put him in the back of the vehicle. But no, they had to kill him.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

They could have tazed the guy to weaken him

That would have killed him instantly in his state.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I think so, IF the state of him being so fucked up on drugs as to be incoherent is correctly assessed.

But what can you do, death comes for us all.

How is this different, you ask? Well at least it demonstrates AN ATTEMPT at subduing in a non-lethal fasion, instead of absolute thuggery.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

My god.... are you really trying to assign a murder charge with this imprecise language? What is "thuggery"? Is that a legal term? Why doesn't physically carrying Floyd to the back of the cop car while asking him nicely to cooperate qualify as "non-lethal"? The knee was determined to be no more than 105 lbs of pressure and Floyd was found with no evidence of strangulation.

You need to realize just how much news media lies and lies and lies some more. It's frankly disgusting and warrants action. Their megalomania in this whole affair with their arbitration of morality and narrative has destroyed lives, killed innocents, and ruined the country further. They really should pay.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

WTF is it with you? We aren't in a court of law, in case you hadn't noticed.

[–]monkeytitz 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

If they tazed the guy while he was tweaked out his mind, you know damn well you would have rioted over that too, so pick another solution

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I? I have nothing to do with this. I am no rioter, why would you think this?

Oh, right, you come from the ultra-polarized mindset where you are either with the "Good riddance, the [n-word] junkie POS criminal is dead! Yay! Good job, Officer! Much respect! Give this man a raise!" or with the BLM & antifa commies.

News flash: I'm with neither. I side on the side of FACTS and REALITY. And these very rarely align with the extreme, brain-dead polarizations you are used to seeing.

[–]monkeytitz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

entire paragraph, didnt refute my point

[–]takeyourjoyjohn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Tazing someone who is experiencing excited delerium could have killed him, too. Tazing him wasn't an option that would have saved his life.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah of course it could have killed him. I am not about "George Floyd is a saint and a martyr". I am about " 'to serve and protect' means NOT going out of your way to kill people."

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Like Robert Dziekanski?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Robert Dziekanski

You know what, yes, why not. He died? Well that's shit luck if a generally non-lethal implement happens to kill one dude. At least then the officers can say, honestly: "we tried subduing him with non-lethal methods". My beef is with the thuggish, shoot-to-kill mentality these pigs display.

Now I don't know about that Robert Dziekanski incident, so there might have been abuse there too. I mean, it certainly is possible to taze somebody to death, it's just LESS likely to kill him than to kneel on his neck for 8 minutes.

[–]slushpilot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Impossible to say without having the medical facts. As a cop in that situation you can't know if he's got a heart condition and is running 200BPM because he's tweaking or psychologically terrified or whatever. The electric shock could provide a much quicker end.

These officers weren't exactly "shoot first" based on the video, but what they did wrong was fail to reassess the situation the moment Floyd went unconscious & stopped resisting. It's likely the 8 minutes that will get them convicted, not that they kneeled on him in the first place.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Well the guy who killed Floyd came later on. He wasn't one of the two initial officers. So yeah the first 2 are not obviously "shoot-to-kill" but also, is it normal that they point their gun at a dude who is in his car before any sign of potential violence on his part?

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with that, I don't think drawing your gun should ever be part of the routine or documented protocol. It just sets up a bad interaction where maybe there wasn't one before. Unholster your gun = fill out paperwork to justify why it was deemed necessary.

[–]quickbeam 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you or do you not believe it is wrong for police to kill unarmed citizens? If the answer is "yes, it's wrong" then it's totally understandable that people are sick of it and protested it.

In terms of riots/looting: While I understand the motives for these I am actually opposed to both riots and looting. A lot of the rioters/looters were not politically motivated, however, and where I live a lot of the rioters were bored white kids from the suburbs, and some of them politically conservative. The vast majority of protests have been peaceful, well-organized and it's been the police response in most cases which has escalated it.

And here's another thing - I am more mad at police killing people because they are being paid to help people not kill people. I'm not paying the protesters/rioters/looters and they are often arrested. The police, however, are killing people which is unconstitutional, not what we're paying them to do and cruel. It shouldn't even matter to anyone who cares about the Constitution who is being killed or whether they committed a crime or were on drugs. If you have any belief in democracy or our justice system or other police officers being safe to do their jobs instead of being viewed as enemies, you should also be loudly protesting these police officers.

I'm not going to dignify your other comments by arguing about them, but the thing is I shouldn't have to prove you wrong on any of them for a person who believes in our Constitution to admit this was wrong.