Systemic Hypocrisy

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[–]icedream 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

it's not hypocrisy anymore, they're outright deluded. relativism is on the rise - no one has the courage the fight (because systemic pavlovian economic punishment)

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

English can not be your first language. And the meta narratives of United States politics are far outside your grasp.

[–]icedream 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

ight deluded. relativism is on the rise - no one has the courage the fight (because systemic pavlovian economic punishment)

yea english aren't my first, but that doesn't excuse your ad hominem argument to bash mine. what happens in the west was predicted by Pope Benedict with his "dictatorship of relativism". It's your liberalism that outlived its purpose.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That wasn't an Ad hominem argument, I was trying to tell you that you have no argument. It did not translate. In particular this section here:

"no one has the courage the fight (because systemic Pavlovian economic punishment)"

There is no central idea that I can grasp here, there is no ideology or political concept that I can read into that sentence.

This doesn't mean anything to me either:

"what happens in the west was predicted by Pope Benedict with his "dictatorship of relativism". It's your liberalism that outlived its purpose."

Something was predicted by someone. He had a dictatorship of relativism. My liberalism, which is a vague unspecified concept has somehow out lived something. None of this has inherent meaning. It is an interesting collection of words, but I have no clue what any of it is supposed to mean.

[–]icedream 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Something was predicted by someone. He had a dictatorship of relativism. My liberalism, which is a vague unspecified concept has somehow out lived something. None of this has inherent meaning. It is an interesting collection of words, but I have no clue what any of it is supposed to mean.

You need to learn to read man. At least read the "dictatorship of relativism" so you don't re-question me for the already-existing-concept : It's not like I made it up. The trait of relativism is as such: the lack of conservatism in USA, progressive is good but not to bet it all on that. Only if you see, it's okay now in USA (generally) then you don't need to address this issue. It's more severe than just 'systemic racialism', even if people are poor if they've clarity in mind, riots / chaz won't happen.

at least this is an outsider view.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Knowing that 'dictatorship of relativism' is a concept, does not elevate it from the abstract disconnected statement that it is. It has about as much value to me as a collection of obscure acronyms strung together.

"then you don't need to address this issue."

I'm not addressing this issue. You've presented nothing here. It means nothing to me. This isn't a debate. I am rejecting everything that you have presented to me as irrelevant, and too abstract for consideration.

It's more severe than just 'systemic racialism', even if people are poor if they've clarity in mind, riots / chaz won't happen. at least this is an outsider view.

None of that means anything to me. Like Russia during the cold war, what is being presented to you abroad has nothing to do with real life in America. You are viewing the hyper realism that has been created to distract you from reality. You live inside a fake world.

[–]GarlandKey 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

A lot to unpack here. The paragraph that is scribbled out are symptoms of institutional racism which cause the end result of a higher poverty rate per capita for African Americans. If you need me to explain the processes that perpetuate this reality, I can but it won't be until tonight.

[–]Dragonerne 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The paragraph that is scribbled out are symptoms of institutional racism which cause the end result of a higher poverty rate per capita for African Americans.

The reason that they are poor is because they have low intelligence. The reason there isn't a greater gap between blacks and whites in the US is because of institutional racism that favor blacks and discriminates against whites; affirmative action, disparate impact doctrine etc.
Edit: Oh, and also because blacks in America are 20% white, which benefits them greatly.

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    [–]Dragonerne 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Don't borther replying if you're going to insult me rather than debate in good faith.

    [–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    instead of responding to you I'm going to use a smug reddit reply and wait for the updoots to pour in

    100 keanu chungus moment wholesome

    [–]christnmusicreleases[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

    Don't bother

    [–]Aureus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I thought that was sarcasm at first due to the phrase "a lot to unpack here".

    [–]King_Brutus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Uhmmm that's gonna be a yikes from me sweaty

    [–]MakeAOCBartendAgain 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    there are 2 things that are causing higher poverty for blacks in America: Absentee black fathers and black-on-black crime. Neither of these is the fault of white America.
    Actual, real African Americans (those Americans who were born in Africa and migrated here, like Nigerians, Somalians, etc) are doing vastly better than black Americans (black people born in America). The first black President is African American.

    [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Actual, real African Americans (those Americans who were born in Africa and migrated here, like Nigerians, Somalians, etc) are doing vastly better than black Americans (black people born in America).

    They are not representative of the African populations.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Africans aren’t representative of the African population?

    [–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    No? There is a filtering process wrt immigration and even those that decide to go through the filtering process isn't a representative random sample of the African populations. It's expensive to go to the US from Africa so it's predominantly well-off Africans that get access to the US.

    These Africans have a higher IQ and better genetics than their counterparts back home.

    [–]MakeAOCBartendAgain 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    yes but they are REAL African Americans, which was my only point. Someone who was born in a Detroit ghetto is a fucking American, not the bullshit term "African American".

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Feel free. Let's open up the debate.

    [–]MakeAOCBartendAgain 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    the refusal of the terrorist group BLM to address absentee black fathers and the plague of black-on-black crime will continue to doom black Americans to poverty and misery.

    Systemic racism is a myth.

    [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Systemic racism is a myth.

    What do you call laws that directly discriminate against a specific race?

    [–]AlexanderOfMacedonia 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    What laws are specifically discriminating against black Americans today?

    [–]Dragonerne 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Excuse me? The systemic racism is against whites in America. The laws are stuff like the caren act, affirmative action, disparate impact doctrine etc. Lots of laws that directly discriminate against whites based on their skin colour.

    Why would you say against blacks? In America there is Black Privilege.

    [–]AlexanderOfMacedonia 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I said against blacks due to the fact that the comment you replied to was saying that systemic racism against blacks was a myth. Your comment seemed to indicate you were arguing against that point.

    [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Ok, yeah, I just responded to the statement that "systemic racism is a myth" which is definitely not true in America. I can see how that could've been misunderstood.

    [–]MakeAOCBartendAgain 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    yeah I agree with AlexanderOfMacedonia.

    I'm white and don't agree with systemic racism - it's fucking bullshit - but I see where you're coming from. We're on the same side so it's stupid to argue TBH.

    [–]RykkuRukashi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I am half white half Hispanic. But I look too white for Hispanics to accept me.

    I have been on the receiving end of systemic racism against whites my entire life. Growing up half white in a city, in mostly Hispanic and black public schools. i tried to say one day in school that being the only person considered white in a class of 35 kids meant i was the minority. i got detention for that. "Whites can never be the minority; i was just being an asshole and trying to start trouble" said the administration. Getting jumped and beaten up for being white. Ask why getting targeted for being white isn't a hate crime i was told "racism is a white construct- you cant be racist against whites". Sorry but being told racism against whites isn't real.... that's racist.

    When I applied to high schools, and later to colleges, I was rejected with placement exam scores in the top 95%. i had black and Hispanic classmates get scores around 70-80% and they were accepted. They said this is to prevent racism and segregation, but it doesn't compute. I thought the idea was to treat everyone equally? but grading us on different standards.... that's anything but equal.

    I just bought a house last year. While i was going through the process my city announced a big program to help families buy their first home... if you are a minority. so if you're a minority, here's up to 10k to help buy your house. Oh you're white? you can buy it on your own, you don't need the city and state's help.

    The fact that a black person can walk outside and say out loud that they have been prejudiced against is a black privilege. Cause i cant go outside and say this stuff. if I do i'm labeled a bigot and a racist.

    [–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Your story sounds almost fictional to me. It's so unbelievable.. very sad to hear

    [–]MakeAOCBartendAgain 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What do you call laws that directly discriminate against a specific race?

    A myth invented by liberals.

    [–]LESBIANLOVER 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    BLACK LESBIAN LIVES MATTER.

    [–]christnmusicreleases[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I think we might have a winner with Black Lesbians Matter.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    All Lesbians Matter

    [–]christnmusicreleases[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Another good one!

    [–]King_Brutus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    BLM: "Black people are poor and white people are the cause!"

    Sane people: "Okay, what's your evidence"

    BLM: "Police! Also YOURE RACIST"

    [–]christnmusicreleases[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    ONLY BLACK LESBIANS MATTER OR YOU'RE A BIGOT!

    [–]King_Brutus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    BLACK DISABLED TRANS LESBIANS

    [–]christnmusicreleases[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Now that's a lot of fake woke points!

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You can apply the same to basically all grievance studies.