Prostitutes are essential for an incel's mental health

submitted by trident765 from self.nonmorons

Possibly the most sickening part about being incel is the feeling that women are disgusted by you. This is horrible for mental health. You feel like you are so disgusting to women that under no circumstances would any woman have sex with you. Prostitutes teach you that this is not the case. Yes, you have to pay them money, but it's not that much money, which means they are not that disgusted by you. When looking at the rates that prostitutes charge, ask yourself "Would I have sex with a man for this amount of money?" The answer is probably no, because you are extremely disgusted by the thought of having sex with men. But prostitutes are not extremely disgusted by the thought of having sex with you.

People think of an interaction with a prostitute as something that is not genuine. But in reality there is some level of genuineness because prostitutes are real people and not robots. When you have sex with a prostitute, this is proof that this woman is genuinely not extremely disgusted by you.

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[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thots gross, only u/popper likes them

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm going to go home and sleep with my wife.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Sorry, but prostitutes are clearly disgusted by you. That's what gets most of their users off, the fact they know the woman doesn't want it. Most prostitutes hate men and never learn to trust them again once they get out.

Prostitutes have sex for low amounts of money because the majority are slaves kept there by violence and addiction who have literally no choice.

[–]privatejoker11 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

That's what gets most of their users off, the fact they know the woman doesn't want it

Your average prostitute has higher status than some sad young incel or middle-aged pot-bellied schmuck in this ass-backwards society of self-hating cucks. If she doesn't want to deal, she just says you violated some rules of engagement or something and tells you to get lost. If you think you have some consumer rights because you are paying, she just calls her pimp and he will slap you harder than he slaps her. They feel neutral about most of their customers. And they've seen lots of disgusting dudes. It's no biggie to them.

Slaves kept by violence? In some village in South Sudan, maybe kinda sorta. In the west? You, the man, are the slave. Please do not be such a sad brainwashed cuck.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Are you talking about escorts or actual prostitutes? Because I've seen quite a few prostitutes and they're not all beautiful and young. Many are missing teeth and look pretty rough from years of neglect and drug use. I'm pretty sure that you're looking at a pimp with a higher level of expectation vs reality. The prostitute is just property, a means to gain money. It's supposed to be in return for protection, but just because the pimp has a vested interest doesn't mean that they're living a comfortable lifestyle. I can't imagine they feel much of anything for their customer base, they're likely high out of their fucking minds for the job. Prostitutes are regarded as gutter filth, as literal holes for pay. They have less respect than even male incels, the difference being that their lives aren't likely to turn around by fucking a single person to gain self esteem. If a prostitute tries to leave, she's probably going to be killed.

[–]privatejoker11 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Are you talking about escorts or actual prostitutes?

There are levels, sure, but the distinction is sharper in a country like America, which is like the most fake-moralistic country ever. One of the results is that wimmin there are narcissistic scum who don't put out for ordinary men. Another result is the ridiculous, childish, mean-spirited prohibition on prostitution (again, for men of average means) in the name of supposedly protecting poor vulnerable wimminz (TM). Repeat, in relatively civilized countries, you do not have to resort to gutter filth to get one off. You go to a tidy little apartment in a certain downtown neighborhood, or better yet, a kind of day-spa type place, with sauna, clean rooms, cold beer, etc. The wimminz who work there are prostitutes of course, but probably not gutter filth. They have regular medical checkups, and some level of customer service attitude. And you can choose which one you would like to spend time with. They ain't so bad. Far better than your average Ameriskank.

I can't imagine they feel much of anything for their customer base

True. So what? If you work at a call center, do you need to have genuine feelings for every customer who calls you? No, you just need to be polite and address their specific requests. The idea is that the customer feel something. If they can provide that, they have done their job and earned their keep.

Besides, the average woman is not attracted to the average man.

I've seen quite a few prostitutes and they're not all beautiful and young. Many are missing teeth and look pretty rough from years of neglect and drug use.

Sorry to hear that.

If a prostitute tries to leave, she's probably going to be killed.

I'm not that interested what happens in some Godforsaken ghetto or in South Sudan. Men in civilized countries must have access to clean, legal prostitute services. Anything less is a crime against (male) humanity.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Men have the ability to jerk off. There's about a billion differently textures items to do so with, along with an assortment of stuff that you can stick up your ass. There's no hope for a civilization that has no ability to exercise self control with their genitals. Sex shouldn't be a commodity, especially not at the typical cost under many circumstances. You can survive without it, even arguably grow stronger without it and focus on improving something else or yourself.

[–]privatejoker11 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

an assortment of stuff that you can stick up your ass

I'm sure there is, but I'm not interested. As a man, I get off on penetrating shapely nubile women. And guess what? That's natural, and quite wholesome too. Shoving synthetic implements up your ass or sticking it in a rubber doll is not an adequate substitute. Neither are non-nubile women. I don't see why this should be hard for anyone to understand, even if you are alternatively-wired, or whatever.

no ability to exercise self control with their genitals

Only low-status men are expected to so-called exercise self-control. Wimmin and high-status men are not.

Sex shouldn't be a commodity

It will always be a commodity, when it comes to virgin women. But in a good society, this is correctly appraised and sold or awarded to a worthy suitor. In our society of cucks and skanks, it is grossly undervalued (despite its scarcity), and so wimmin are ruined long before they ever consider it may be time to "settle down" with a boring beta.

You can survive without it, even arguably grow stronger without it and focus on improving something else or yourself.

All religious traditions call for marriage for most people. But I guess those bigots got it all wrong all those millennia. We should all just be living with cats, "improving ourselves" with yoga and other navel-gazing bullshit, and gratifying ourselves with multi-textured dildos. No need for romance, pair-bonding, family and all that jazz.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You'll notice that I made no argument with regards to marriage, family, or having a wall of cats in your home. That was on purpose, and entirely a fault of your own for putting any of that context on my comment.

That said, "high class men" should be held to the same standards as everyone else. What makes you any better than an incel, when it comes down to it? Your active sex life? What do you provide to this world outside of commentary on a Reddit clone? Most incel men would be fine, unless they're hardcore on the spectrum. It's a matter of perspective for them that they need to change, and accept that they're just as worthy to have sex as any other person is. Your "cure" of literally -Hey incel, have sex lul- is boring and quite frankly fucking stupid.

[–]privatejoker11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I made no argument with regards to marriage, family, or having a wall of cats in your home ...entirely a fault of your own for putting any of that context on my comment.

I didn't mean to imply that you advocate that lifestyle. But that that lifestyle is a typical logical consequence of the idea of "working on yourself" and pursuing other interests type of thing. My remark was somewhat hyperbolic, but many people actually live this way. The particulars of my example are more typical for women, but a man endlessly "working on himself" with bodybuilding, hobbies and whatever is perhaps just the male equivalent. It's solipsism and it leads to loneliness. Not to romance and kiddies. Some people don't want a family. Not a problem. But most do.

That said, "high class men" should be held to the same standards as everyone else.

Agreed, and in a good society, they would be (more so) held to a similar standard. I wasn't saying the privilege of high-status men is justified; I was just remarking that the situation is unfair to low-status men.

What makes you any better than an incel, when it comes down to it? Your active sex life?

That's exactly the opposite of my position. I mentioned this very issue in the thread "Women like men slightly less intelligent than themselves".

Your "cure" of literally -Hey incel, have sex lul-

I did not say that. My objections were to your comments that:

Sex shouldn't be a commodity"

It is and always will be.

And that

You can survive without it, even arguably grow stronger without it and focus on improving something else or yourself.

Of course you should improve yourself in every way possible, but this is not a reason not to have a woman in your life in the meantime. Traditionally, good women have helped and inspired men to improve. You do not need years and decades of improvement to finally be good enough for women. That is just preposterous, and implies that women are by default better/higher than men. This is a recipe for some male equivalent of becoming a cat lady.

accept that they're just as worthy to have sex as any other person is.

Exactly. But in the very next sentence, you say that incels can't just "have sex lul". And that's quite true, because they have a mental block based on their (somewhat) accurate assessment of their low status (I am referring to mental-cels, i.e. dudes who are just a bit awkward, but otherwise normal). When I say low-status, I mean in the current (depraved) sexual market, not that they are lowly people who do not deserve a single drop of sex ever. That is what typical western wimmin and sociopaths say, not what I said.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's solipsism and it leads to loneliness. Not to romance and kiddies. Some people don't want a family. Not a problem. But most do.

I'm trying to place it more in the viewpoint of a foundational building block towards better self esteem and a better understanding of the self. When your self esteem is god awful, it's harder for you to even accept someone caring about you at full capacity, and might even question it. That's not really healthy or fun to have to deal with on the opposite side of the relationship (note that I didn't say that it isn't still worth it on both sides), and can lead to problems with jealousy or arguments.

I did not say that. My objections were to your comments that:

You were continuing with the OP conversation on sex with prostitutes, and I mistook as being that you agreed with it being a cure. You've had more commentary here since then that explains your standing with things, and that clarified things more for me.

I don't think that they should ever expressly tie self improvement in with women, because the point of it is beyond finding a mate and gaining a respect for the self that withstands rejection or negative interactions. My point was never to indicate either sex is better than the other, but I can understand where that things could have gotten miscommunicated.

Exactly. But in the very next sentence, you say that incels can't just "have sex lul". And that's quite true, because they have a mental block based on their (somewhat) accurate assessment of their low status (I am referring to mental-cels, i.e. dudes who are just a bit awkward, but otherwise normal). 

No, I was summarizing the viewpoint that I thought you were trying to make by continuing the talk on prostitution.

Misunderstandings cleared?

[–]privatejoker11 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Low amounts of money? In some relatively civilized countries, the price is reasonable and probably fair, in proportion to local wages. But in the Anglosphere? Hahaha. Hundreds of currency units for an hour with a washed-up, ageing, unattractive hag with a shit-eating attitude. And it's illegal to boot, the penalties falling entirely on the john, excuse me, customer, should anything go wrong. Such a sad joke all this.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Tru

[–]trident765[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like you have been reading propaganda. If all women hate the idea of prostituting themselves so much that only a slave would do it, then why weren't the prostitutes in the Bible referred to as slaves? This was a time when slavery was considered an acceptable practice, so if all prostitutes are slaves, there would have been no reason not to be open about them being slaves.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

What specifically are they supposedly disgusted by? Hideous physical appearance? Smell? Weird or repellent behaviors?

If you've read any of the more valid red pill stuff about women, you know that pretty much everything but mental illness issues can be corrected or mitigated. I mean, you basically just have to exhibit the correct behaviors for the type of female you're wanting to attract, similar to the courtship dances done by bird species.

Btw, how about those femcels?

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Couldn't it be argued that the basis for developing a relationship of any kind is based on exhibiting the correct behaviors to get the other person interested?

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, whether you're doing it consciously or not. The correct behavior-set will vary, depending on personalities involved, the context, and the totality of the circumstances.

Like other skills, exhibiting the correct behaviors can be learned. Ideally that knowledge would then be incorporated into ones personality at an unconscious level, rather than being used mechanically to prey on targets.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There ya go. We're all just little Magpies waiting for our mate to come in wearing a shiny necklace made out of paper clips.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a bit more complexity to it than that, but sure, pretty much. It does tend to be a more enjoyable role when the meta perspective is minimized.

As for the mate, things tend to work out better when they trade in the paper clip necklace for a bundle of angiosperm genitals.

[–]trident765[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

What are some of the correct behaviors?

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Privatejoker is right about the wingman/big brother type to take you out on field exercises, but learning some of the basics first would be ideal. I'd suggest looking at both red pill forums and more scholarly studies on those creatures. They come in a wide variety of personality types, but there are female desires and responses that are fairly standard, on average.

Keep in mind that among the valid information in the red pill stuff will be (last time I looked) some pretty ridiculously extreme stuff. Ideally, you could position yourself to have "normal" social interactions with females along the way, as you learn more, and have real interactions. Clubs (hiking, or whatever), church, and classes (cooking, etc) are a few places you could have relatively non-threatening interactions and observations. Practice is good.

You'd also want to decide on your goals. Are you just looking for sex? A girlfriend? A wife? Someone to go dancing with? You'd use different approaches, and the female types for each of those might be very different.

Being friendly and willing to chat about everyday normal topics is always a good default approach.

Also note that maintaining a relationship with another human can be challenging for even the most competent among us.

[–]privatejoker11 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

+1 for helpful comment

[–]privatejoker11 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

position yourself to have "normal" social interactions with females along the way, as you learn more, and have real interactions.

I think this is genuinely difficult for non-player men (normies and incels). When you think about it, what is the problem? Women are interested. Yes, in you. Although they are spoiled beyond belief, their range of types of men they may be interested at any given time in is a good deal broader than many incels believe. You do not have to be buff, or over 6'6" or whatever. That is only true for the most basic of bitches.

So, what to do? "Just be confident, bro", right? Just approach women with the knowledge that they want to be approached and you may well be just what she didn't know she needed today. Right, that is what you should do. But it's easier said than done. Why? Because many incels are in reality mental-cels. Their problem is not that they are not sufficiently buff. Their problem is that they have a mental/emotional blockage. They are not naturals, and in our sick society, they simply did not have enough role models, and enough direct social exposure to girls/women growing up. So they plain don't fucking know what to say and do. And nobody could ever be bothered to tell them. Why? because they are in various ways subtly or not-so-subtly "marked" and isolated from an early age. Our society, generally speaking, is terribly superficial and unforgiving of even slight awkwardness, even when a guy has a ton of good qualities going for him. The gals don't have the patience (and also in reality lack genuine self-esteem needed) to get past a little awkwardness and get to know what may be a great guy for them in the longer-term. They were never taught to think about the long term (i.e. normal courtship and marriage, as practiced in all societies ever that were worth a crap). From a very early age, girls absorb the message that they are above all that give-and-take stuff. They are princesses, they deserve the very best served up on a palladium platter that descends hovering from the sky carrying the hunkiest hunk they can imagine -- right now!

To summarize, I think the problem is, (a) on the personal/micro level of incels: mental blockage in connection with heightened self-consciousness and social inhibition/awkwardness, which is at least partly caused by (b) on the societal/macro level: atomized, superficial, gynocentric, man-hating society that spoils and facilitates the worst tendencies of women, while generally demanding high standards of men, resulting in poor self-image for those who do not make the cut (derived from a roughly accurate, but sometimes too-harsh, assessment of one's status/sexual market value). Besides, many young men today do not have enough friends and comrades from whom they can receive reassurance, tips, learn overall social competence (not just with women), etc. So basically the incel phenomenon results from a negative feedback loop fed by a decaying social fabric.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But it's easier said than done. Why? Because many incels are in reality mental-cels. Their problem is not that they are not sufficiently buff. Their problem is that they have a mental/emotional blockage.

That's as true for incels on a personal level as it is for members of our society at large. We could literally throw off the corruption, degeneracy, and weakness if we all just stopped tolerating it. How do we get from here to there, and can we?

Thanks. I hope /u/trident765 has been able to find some benefit from these comments.

[–]privatejoker11 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I hope so too.

Now a question: who are "we all"?

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, everyone who tolerates it now, as opposed to those who dgaf, or actually embrace it. It's unfortunate that the nature of human beings means that's extremely unlikely to happen. It's still technically possible.

Note that I recognize that can-o-worms, and have laid my can opener on the ground and am backing away.

[–]privatejoker11 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I like freshly opened cans-o-worms, being a fisherman of sorts ;) So I'll bite.

Yeah, there are a lot who only tolerate it. They don't like it much, would prefer different. But they go along -- why? You know the answer: fear.

Fear of what? Trump's/ Biden's fat-ass national guard flunkies coming along with syringes? Maybe. More immediately, though, fear of their "neighbors", "friends", "wives", etc. opinions. Think about that for a moment. It's astonishing. The threat of military enforcement is redundant: there is no need for them to do forced vaccination, or enforce any of the other rules that lead up to that. The sheeple police themselves very nicely. They are like 95% effective at it, as the vax-mongers have been saying.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

being a fisherman of sorts ;)

Used to be a voat user Mustard of Puppets who posted about his fishing all the time. Way out there somewhere in northern leaf land. Apparently a fishing paradise, as he seemed to fish every day, and caught all kinds of big fish.

Could be fear, or cost/benefit analysis. If you're only considering your own life, then it's probably the latter. If you're looking at the big picture, and still do nothing, then it's more likely fear.

[–]privatejoker11 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You could probably glean some of this from various red-pill forums, etc. if you really want to try and practice this stuff. It would be better to have some wingman/big brother figure, but good luck with that in this society of cockblocking cucks and whiteknight fags.

It's true, wymyn are fairly simple creatures and they respond to a limited range of acceptable pre-programmed displays. These range from fluffing of colorful feathery tail and just sorta prancing about like a poofter, to performing an elaborate silly dance that involves a lot of hopping up and down on a tree-branch. If you are a primate, it may involve flinging your own excrement at other members of your troop in an effort to get the better of them. If they do not respond by gouging your eyes out and biting you to death, you have won by default, and all the females are belong to you.

It's just that your type is not evolutionarily designed for such tomfoolery.