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[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Privatejoker is right about the wingman/big brother type to take you out on field exercises, but learning some of the basics first would be ideal. I'd suggest looking at both red pill forums and more scholarly studies on those creatures. They come in a wide variety of personality types, but there are female desires and responses that are fairly standard, on average.

Keep in mind that among the valid information in the red pill stuff will be (last time I looked) some pretty ridiculously extreme stuff. Ideally, you could position yourself to have "normal" social interactions with females along the way, as you learn more, and have real interactions. Clubs (hiking, or whatever), church, and classes (cooking, etc) are a few places you could have relatively non-threatening interactions and observations. Practice is good.

You'd also want to decide on your goals. Are you just looking for sex? A girlfriend? A wife? Someone to go dancing with? You'd use different approaches, and the female types for each of those might be very different.

Being friendly and willing to chat about everyday normal topics is always a good default approach.

Also note that maintaining a relationship with another human can be challenging for even the most competent among us.

[–]privatejoker11 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

+1 for helpful comment

[–]privatejoker11 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

position yourself to have "normal" social interactions with females along the way, as you learn more, and have real interactions.

I think this is genuinely difficult for non-player men (normies and incels). When you think about it, what is the problem? Women are interested. Yes, in you. Although they are spoiled beyond belief, their range of types of men they may be interested at any given time in is a good deal broader than many incels believe. You do not have to be buff, or over 6'6" or whatever. That is only true for the most basic of bitches.

So, what to do? "Just be confident, bro", right? Just approach women with the knowledge that they want to be approached and you may well be just what she didn't know she needed today. Right, that is what you should do. But it's easier said than done. Why? Because many incels are in reality mental-cels. Their problem is not that they are not sufficiently buff. Their problem is that they have a mental/emotional blockage. They are not naturals, and in our sick society, they simply did not have enough role models, and enough direct social exposure to girls/women growing up. So they plain don't fucking know what to say and do. And nobody could ever be bothered to tell them. Why? because they are in various ways subtly or not-so-subtly "marked" and isolated from an early age. Our society, generally speaking, is terribly superficial and unforgiving of even slight awkwardness, even when a guy has a ton of good qualities going for him. The gals don't have the patience (and also in reality lack genuine self-esteem needed) to get past a little awkwardness and get to know what may be a great guy for them in the longer-term. They were never taught to think about the long term (i.e. normal courtship and marriage, as practiced in all societies ever that were worth a crap). From a very early age, girls absorb the message that they are above all that give-and-take stuff. They are princesses, they deserve the very best served up on a palladium platter that descends hovering from the sky carrying the hunkiest hunk they can imagine -- right now!

To summarize, I think the problem is, (a) on the personal/micro level of incels: mental blockage in connection with heightened self-consciousness and social inhibition/awkwardness, which is at least partly caused by (b) on the societal/macro level: atomized, superficial, gynocentric, man-hating society that spoils and facilitates the worst tendencies of women, while generally demanding high standards of men, resulting in poor self-image for those who do not make the cut (derived from a roughly accurate, but sometimes too-harsh, assessment of one's status/sexual market value). Besides, many young men today do not have enough friends and comrades from whom they can receive reassurance, tips, learn overall social competence (not just with women), etc. So basically the incel phenomenon results from a negative feedback loop fed by a decaying social fabric.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But it's easier said than done. Why? Because many incels are in reality mental-cels. Their problem is not that they are not sufficiently buff. Their problem is that they have a mental/emotional blockage.

That's as true for incels on a personal level as it is for members of our society at large. We could literally throw off the corruption, degeneracy, and weakness if we all just stopped tolerating it. How do we get from here to there, and can we?

Thanks. I hope /u/trident765 has been able to find some benefit from these comments.

[–]privatejoker11 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I hope so too.

Now a question: who are "we all"?

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Well, everyone who tolerates it now, as opposed to those who dgaf, or actually embrace it. It's unfortunate that the nature of human beings means that's extremely unlikely to happen. It's still technically possible.

Note that I recognize that can-o-worms, and have laid my can opener on the ground and am backing away.

[–]privatejoker11 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I like freshly opened cans-o-worms, being a fisherman of sorts ;) So I'll bite.

Yeah, there are a lot who only tolerate it. They don't like it much, would prefer different. But they go along -- why? You know the answer: fear.

Fear of what? Trump's/ Biden's fat-ass national guard flunkies coming along with syringes? Maybe. More immediately, though, fear of their "neighbors", "friends", "wives", etc. opinions. Think about that for a moment. It's astonishing. The threat of military enforcement is redundant: there is no need for them to do forced vaccination, or enforce any of the other rules that lead up to that. The sheeple police themselves very nicely. They are like 95% effective at it, as the vax-mongers have been saying.

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being a fisherman of sorts ;)

Used to be a voat user Mustard of Puppets who posted about his fishing all the time. Way out there somewhere in northern leaf land. Apparently a fishing paradise, as he seemed to fish every day, and caught all kinds of big fish.

Could be fear, or cost/benefit analysis. If you're only considering your own life, then it's probably the latter. If you're looking at the big picture, and still do nothing, then it's more likely fear.