Prostitutes are essential for an incel's mental health

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[–]privatejoker11 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Are you talking about escorts or actual prostitutes?

There are levels, sure, but the distinction is sharper in a country like America, which is like the most fake-moralistic country ever. One of the results is that wimmin there are narcissistic scum who don't put out for ordinary men. Another result is the ridiculous, childish, mean-spirited prohibition on prostitution (again, for men of average means) in the name of supposedly protecting poor vulnerable wimminz (TM). Repeat, in relatively civilized countries, you do not have to resort to gutter filth to get one off. You go to a tidy little apartment in a certain downtown neighborhood, or better yet, a kind of day-spa type place, with sauna, clean rooms, cold beer, etc. The wimminz who work there are prostitutes of course, but probably not gutter filth. They have regular medical checkups, and some level of customer service attitude. And you can choose which one you would like to spend time with. They ain't so bad. Far better than your average Ameriskank.

I can't imagine they feel much of anything for their customer base

True. So what? If you work at a call center, do you need to have genuine feelings for every customer who calls you? No, you just need to be polite and address their specific requests. The idea is that the customer feel something. If they can provide that, they have done their job and earned their keep.

Besides, the average woman is not attracted to the average man.

I've seen quite a few prostitutes and they're not all beautiful and young. Many are missing teeth and look pretty rough from years of neglect and drug use.

Sorry to hear that.

If a prostitute tries to leave, she's probably going to be killed.

I'm not that interested what happens in some Godforsaken ghetto or in South Sudan. Men in civilized countries must have access to clean, legal prostitute services. Anything less is a crime against (male) humanity.

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Men have the ability to jerk off. There's about a billion differently textures items to do so with, along with an assortment of stuff that you can stick up your ass. There's no hope for a civilization that has no ability to exercise self control with their genitals. Sex shouldn't be a commodity, especially not at the typical cost under many circumstances. You can survive without it, even arguably grow stronger without it and focus on improving something else or yourself.

[–]privatejoker11 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

an assortment of stuff that you can stick up your ass

I'm sure there is, but I'm not interested. As a man, I get off on penetrating shapely nubile women. And guess what? That's natural, and quite wholesome too. Shoving synthetic implements up your ass or sticking it in a rubber doll is not an adequate substitute. Neither are non-nubile women. I don't see why this should be hard for anyone to understand, even if you are alternatively-wired, or whatever.

no ability to exercise self control with their genitals

Only low-status men are expected to so-called exercise self-control. Wimmin and high-status men are not.

Sex shouldn't be a commodity

It will always be a commodity, when it comes to virgin women. But in a good society, this is correctly appraised and sold or awarded to a worthy suitor. In our society of cucks and skanks, it is grossly undervalued (despite its scarcity), and so wimmin are ruined long before they ever consider it may be time to "settle down" with a boring beta.

You can survive without it, even arguably grow stronger without it and focus on improving something else or yourself.

All religious traditions call for marriage for most people. But I guess those bigots got it all wrong all those millennia. We should all just be living with cats, "improving ourselves" with yoga and other navel-gazing bullshit, and gratifying ourselves with multi-textured dildos. No need for romance, pair-bonding, family and all that jazz.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You'll notice that I made no argument with regards to marriage, family, or having a wall of cats in your home. That was on purpose, and entirely a fault of your own for putting any of that context on my comment.

That said, "high class men" should be held to the same standards as everyone else. What makes you any better than an incel, when it comes down to it? Your active sex life? What do you provide to this world outside of commentary on a Reddit clone? Most incel men would be fine, unless they're hardcore on the spectrum. It's a matter of perspective for them that they need to change, and accept that they're just as worthy to have sex as any other person is. Your "cure" of literally -Hey incel, have sex lul- is boring and quite frankly fucking stupid.

[–]privatejoker11 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I made no argument with regards to marriage, family, or having a wall of cats in your home ...entirely a fault of your own for putting any of that context on my comment.

I didn't mean to imply that you advocate that lifestyle. But that that lifestyle is a typical logical consequence of the idea of "working on yourself" and pursuing other interests type of thing. My remark was somewhat hyperbolic, but many people actually live this way. The particulars of my example are more typical for women, but a man endlessly "working on himself" with bodybuilding, hobbies and whatever is perhaps just the male equivalent. It's solipsism and it leads to loneliness. Not to romance and kiddies. Some people don't want a family. Not a problem. But most do.

That said, "high class men" should be held to the same standards as everyone else.

Agreed, and in a good society, they would be (more so) held to a similar standard. I wasn't saying the privilege of high-status men is justified; I was just remarking that the situation is unfair to low-status men.

What makes you any better than an incel, when it comes down to it? Your active sex life?

That's exactly the opposite of my position. I mentioned this very issue in the thread "Women like men slightly less intelligent than themselves".

Your "cure" of literally -Hey incel, have sex lul-

I did not say that. My objections were to your comments that:

Sex shouldn't be a commodity"

It is and always will be.

And that

You can survive without it, even arguably grow stronger without it and focus on improving something else or yourself.

Of course you should improve yourself in every way possible, but this is not a reason not to have a woman in your life in the meantime. Traditionally, good women have helped and inspired men to improve. You do not need years and decades of improvement to finally be good enough for women. That is just preposterous, and implies that women are by default better/higher than men. This is a recipe for some male equivalent of becoming a cat lady.

accept that they're just as worthy to have sex as any other person is.

Exactly. But in the very next sentence, you say that incels can't just "have sex lul". And that's quite true, because they have a mental block based on their (somewhat) accurate assessment of their low status (I am referring to mental-cels, i.e. dudes who are just a bit awkward, but otherwise normal). When I say low-status, I mean in the current (depraved) sexual market, not that they are lowly people who do not deserve a single drop of sex ever. That is what typical western wimmin and sociopaths say, not what I said.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's solipsism and it leads to loneliness. Not to romance and kiddies. Some people don't want a family. Not a problem. But most do.

I'm trying to place it more in the viewpoint of a foundational building block towards better self esteem and a better understanding of the self. When your self esteem is god awful, it's harder for you to even accept someone caring about you at full capacity, and might even question it. That's not really healthy or fun to have to deal with on the opposite side of the relationship (note that I didn't say that it isn't still worth it on both sides), and can lead to problems with jealousy or arguments.

I did not say that. My objections were to your comments that:

You were continuing with the OP conversation on sex with prostitutes, and I mistook as being that you agreed with it being a cure. You've had more commentary here since then that explains your standing with things, and that clarified things more for me.

I don't think that they should ever expressly tie self improvement in with women, because the point of it is beyond finding a mate and gaining a respect for the self that withstands rejection or negative interactions. My point was never to indicate either sex is better than the other, but I can understand where that things could have gotten miscommunicated.

Exactly. But in the very next sentence, you say that incels can't just "have sex lul". And that's quite true, because they have a mental block based on their (somewhat) accurate assessment of their low status (I am referring to mental-cels, i.e. dudes who are just a bit awkward, but otherwise normal). 

No, I was summarizing the viewpoint that I thought you were trying to make by continuing the talk on prostitution.

Misunderstandings cleared?