Alberta to Ban Medical Transition for Children

submitted by HiddenFox from theepochtimes.com

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

According the PEW Research center about 8% of people who transition end up de-transitioning, and suffer with irreversible damage from just taking hormone blockers, let alone being allowed to have surgery.

I don't get that research coming up for search terms pew research and either "detransition" or "de-transitioning". Would you mind linking me to the study?

18 NEEDS to be the minimum age in which someone should be able to make this choice.

Surely a correct diagnosis is what's needed. And if that can be achieved with confidence, why would you fuck up someones life by putting their body through puberty as the wrong gender? That seems unnecessary sadistic.

That percentage is just the people brave enough to come out and speak up.

That seems poorly controlled for pew to have people self-select for a survey. Can you link me to the study?

You have to ask yourself why they are fast tracking all of these kids now.

Before that, you have to ask yourself if they are fast tracking all of these kids now.

What's your data on fast tracking?

Either you are being willfully naïve or you're a pharmaceutical plant pushing their money agenda.

I'm happy to read your paper. But i can't find it, and i know that satisfaction with gender reassignment top surgery is far greater than any other surgery, including the (much more common in US teens), breast enhancement or reduction.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2808129

Before assuming deceit, you should consider the possibility that I'm merely pushing the truth.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Here are some links if you need them: https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detransition#:~:text=The%20results%20published%20in%20the,the%20time%20of%20the%20survey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#:~:text=Epidemiology,-See%20also%3A%20Transgender&text=Different%20studies%20have%20arrived%20at,are%20diagnosable%20with%20gender%20dysphoria. https://bigthink.com/health/transgender-detransition/

Surely a correct diagnosis is what's needed. And if that can be achieved with confidence, why would you fuck up someones life by putting their body through puberty as the wrong gender? That seems unnecessary sadistic.

Kids are not mentally capable of making life altering choices, and given the lack of necessary medical and mental care needed to fully access if one is truly suffering from body dysmorphia or if it's something else altogether. One 30-45 minute session, or even a two hour long session can not determine this. It takes months sometimes years to see if someone is truly suffering from body dysmorphia.

Before that, you have to ask yourself if they are fast tracking all of these kids now. What's your data on fast tracking?

My data comes from common sense. Look at the damn numbers and tell me that this isn't something big pharma is pushing. But here are some links: https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/gender-ideology-a-boon-to-big-pharma-and-threat-to-parental-rights/ https://www.allsides.com/news/2022-03-07-1044/trans-activists-funded-big-pharma-push-biased-research-promoting-medical https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-prescribe-more-of-a-drug-if-they-receive-money-from-a-pharma-company-tied-to-it https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/03/09/new-book-follows-money-trail-insane-lie-splits-families-causes-permanent-medical-damage-authors-say/ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/health/puberty-blockers-transgender.html

I can list a hundred of these articles that are able to make the connection between the trans movement and profit. So I ask you again, if doctors are in bed with these companies raking in the money, then how can you trust they will do what is right for the child and not for their bank account.

I have worked in the medical field for over 30 years, I know what goes on behind the scenes, and if you think for one minute that a doctor surely couldn't be capable of doing something like this, then think again, because you my friend have been deluded by them like many others have. Just because someone wears a white coat, doesn't mean they are correct in their diagnosis, nor does it mean they will always do what is in your best interest.

Before assuming deceit, you should consider the possibility that I'm merely pushing the truth.

You're pushing what you BELIEVE is the truth. There is a difference. I have been on both sides of this fence, I have been for and now against it. I used to think and believe just like you until I started doing my own research and listening to the kids and their stories. I also made many of the same assumptions you are making. Until after I attended a medical conference last year and the main focus was how to push more gender affirming care and the medications that go along with it. How to speak to parents and get them on board. It was such a slap in the face to someone like me who actually went into medicine to care about people, not use them as lab rats for medications for big pharma and get a slice of the money pie.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Here are some links if you need them

Thanks. But I was particularly interested in the Pew Research center's study showing that about 8% of people who transition end up de-transitioning. Because I find that surprising, and would be interested in where, when and how the sampling was done. (If indeed the study exists at all).

Kids are not mentally capable of making life altering choices, and given the lack of necessary medical and mental care needed to fully access if one is truly suffering from body dysmorphia or if it's something else altogether.

No one diagnoses themselves, they get a medical professional to do it. That's for Gender Dysphoria and if you show up to the doctor with a rash.

It takes months sometimes years to see if someone is truly suffering from body dysmorphia.

Yes. Most kids who present with gender dysphoria resolve, and are simply gay, and in a society in which they are led to believe that that is less acceptable than being het. In the US about 80%. It is a credit to the care taken by the medical industry that there are almost entirely correctly diagnosed and the long term satisfaction with gender affirming surgery is so underwhelmingly positive.

My data comes from common sense.

You should check that it aligns with the facts then. "Common sense" isn't as commonly sensible as you would hope.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/gender-ideology-a-boon-to-big-pharma-and-threat-to-parental-rights/

The murdoch media empire makes most of it's money manipulating public opinion for a few highly-paying clients. They're report straight falsehoods as fact on climate change, on war, and on gun control. Curiously anything Putin is pushing. I wouldn't put too much sway on their publications.

https://www.allsides.com/news/2022-03-07-1044/trans-activists-funded-big-pharma-push-biased-research-promoting-medical

I think that this article is correctly assigned that it is biased to the right.

I also think that it is misleading.

Puberty blockers are not expected to treat gender dysphoria. They're used to delay puberty until a diagnosis of gender dysphoria can be confidently made.

Yet the media has widely publicized studies funded by pharmaceutical corporations and activist groups which claim to find that “gender-affirming” medical care, such as hormones that block children from going through puberty, is good for kids’ mental health.

This is confusing puberty blockers and Masculinizing or Feminizing hormone therapy.

Gender affirming care inlcluding Masculinizing or Feminizing hormones is good for mental health. They don't block children going through puberty. GnRH analogues do that. But GnRH analogues aren't gender affirming. They just stop you producing sex hormones of any kind.

https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-prescribe-more-of-a-drug-if-they-receive-money-from-a-pharma-company-tied-to-it

This is a problem, particularly in the US. How drugs are advertised needs to be better regulated. They probably shouldn't be advertised at all, and doctors certainly shouldn't be bribed to prescribe them.

Some doctors have tried to be especially ethical about that: As an aside, I have not talked to a rep or taken anything from a drug company in at least 23 years. I attempt to apply all evidence to my practice. It is not without its downside. They provide pizza to our local Infectious Disease conference (where the reps can outnumber the medical students) and it is painful to sit there an smell the pizza and not partake. Mmmmmmmm. Pizza.. But it's not the norm.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/03/09/new-book-follows-money-trail-insane-lie-splits-families-causes-permanent-medical-damage-authors-say/

The daily signal is published by the Heritage Foundation, activist American conservative think tank. It's opinions on this kind of stuff is going to be very slanted. Anyone can write a boo, and it doesn't need to be peer reviewed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/health/puberty-blockers-transgender.html

Oh yeah. They're not without side effects. Like any drug, really. You only want to prescribe it if the side effects are better than what is being treated.

I used to think and believe just like you until I started doing my own research and listening to the kids and their stories.

I certainly respect people who have published research. Are you able to link to any of your papers?

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Puberty blockers are not expected to treat gender dysphoria. They're used to delay puberty until a diagnosis of gender dysphoria can be confidently made.

Yet that is what they are using them for. You can be for using them all you want, but the fact of the matter is that they were designed to be used as a form of chemical castration and the "side effects" such as sterilization are permanent. You can't just decide you don't want to take them anymore because the damage from taking them has already been done.

You comparing other drugs and their side effects is pretty disingenuous of you, because unlike other drugs side effects this just doesn't give you headaches or shortness of breath, it can cause you to have life long problems and not be able to ever have kids, even when you stop taking them. Most medications that do have side effects, those will stop when you stop taking the medication, that isn't the case with hormone blockers, and they are given to kids as young as 8-9 years old. Sorry but a 10 year old child isn't capable of determining they are the wrong sex let alone understand the lifelong implementations of it. You clearly are not someone who can't be reasoned with in terms of seeing the bigger picture because you are still defending it despite the evidence you've been given to say otherwise.