London Fire: "14 homes and 25 vehicles were completely destroyed in the blaze" ... "Some houses looked like they had melted in the inferno" [Says Metro News] Where have we seen melting fires before???

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[–]iamonlyoneman 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

Aluminum cans melt in a camp fire. As you'd know if you ever went outside for a change.

Aluminum RVs are gonna melt too, duh?

Many of the trees "left intact" are obviously burned.

Get better at thinking or else go hide in s/conspiracy LOL

[–]CreditKnifeMan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The photo in this article shows houses that were burned in a forest fire, except the forest wasn't on fire.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-09-09/paradise-devastated-by-californias-deadliest-fire-again-threatened-by-new-blazes

The houses were inexplicably burned to the ground, while the neighboring trees were only scorched.

I'm not sure what caused the houses to burn, but it wasn't the result of a forest fire (that didn't burn the forest).

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Aluminum cans melt in a camp fire.

Nope. They'll oxidize into white powder.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The picture at the top of that article shows a neighborhood that appears to have disappeared while trees remain standing... It is a strange sight. And you make a good point that there was no forest fire. The neighborhood itself was what burned.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

So why didn't the plastic burn?

I have a burn pit outside and the cans do not melt, but they do slowly break down after repeated burning. Plastic burns the first time and is very flammable.

But plastic garbage bins outside in some of these so-called wildfires remain unburned while the metals around them melt.

Common sense when cooking with a microwave oven: plastic is safe to use, but metal will spark. Video demonstration in under 1 minute showing how quickly metal reacts in a microwave radio field:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bbaOWdhiBK8

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Bruh. I have with my own hands thrown cans in campfires and watched them melt. You get puddles of Al in the ashes the next morning.

Let me introduce you to my friend, modern chemistry

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Why would I lie about this? I regularly burn trash outside, usually sticks and fallen tree branches, but also thorns and weeds, and have a fire pit dedicated to this, and when I have thrown trash from the house into the fire, many times the cans did nothing but remained inert. Everything plastic burns, though. I ended up retrieving cans out of the ashes and throwing them into the trash bin to be picked up by the truck on the roadside.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You don't have to be lying for you to be wrong. There's no such thing as space-based DEW and sometimes actual fire does funny things.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

How could I be "wrong" about what I have observed with my own eyes many times in my fire pit? I have never, not even one time, seen a metal can melt in my fire pit. The wood and plastic burned to ash, and the cans remained. How is this statement wrong, according to you?

[–]CreditKnifeMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Aluminum cans oxidize into a powder. They don't melt in camp fires.
Maybe they would in a crucible in a fire (maybe), but there's too much oxygen when tossed into in a normal camp fire.

A "tin" can is actually steel. It won't melt in a normal fire. Not ever.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

👍Now that sounds like a true statement.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I said aluminum melts in fires. You said it doesn't. You're wrong. factually actually 100% wrong. IDK how cold your fires are but it's a thing. See the videos linked in another comment reply I made on this thread.

eta: Here, have someone else's take. I've never had a campfire that wouldn't boil water but they've seen that, too. https://www.quora.com/Will-a-campfire-get-hot-enough-to-melt-aluminum?share=1

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I do not need your approval nor do I have any need to click on your link to know if cans melt in my fire pit. I have looked with my own eyes and never saw one melt. That's a fact. But I did already demonstrate that metal reacts violently in a field of microwave radiation.

You are pushing so very hard to convince anyone reading that metal melts in fire. Does that mean you would like us to abandon all investigation into whether the fires might have been deliberately set with a weapon?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

pushing so very hard

  • posts video of reality

You're not pushing so very hard though I guess. I'm gonna try to remember you and knife guy's usernames as neurodivergents so I don't put in so much effort demonstrating your wrongness, going forward.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Instead of answering the question if an investigation into the cause of these fires should be done or not, the tactic of name calling was used. This is a method used for information control. But the truth will not be concealed. Everything will be exposed by the light, and everyone will have to give account for every idle word spoken. Let us all repent and seek peace while mercy may still be found.

[–]CreditKnifeMan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You get puddles of Al in the ashes the next morning.

I've burned plenty of cans and never seen molten aluminum from a carbonaceous fire.

I've watched the aluminum, oxidize in the fire, to powdery aluminum oxide (Al2O3), which is exactly what you'd expect given aluminium is a reactive element and is almost never found in raw form in nature. It has to be processed.

I'm pretty sure that you would need a larger volume-to-surface ratio of aluminum to produce molten aluminum. Maybe the rim of a car, or similar.

I've seen molten aluminum melted in a crucible. It was melted via induction heating.

I wouldn't expect induction to create forest fires, but this would explain the house fires that didn't affect the trees, or plastics.

It would be interesting to examine any metal fasteners that may be present on the partially melted plastics.
Melted plastic in locations around metal fasteners could suggest induction heating.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are you neurodivergent? Because it would explain your insistence on being right in the face of obvious reality to the contrary.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

here, have a video found in less than a minute on youtube searching, of a guy who melts aluminum under an ordinary fire and casts things in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buFsNLoP9ZE

and another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6LnAMeQVzg

Melted metal fasteners in plastic suggests heating of any sort. You're just wrong. Examine yourself, why you are so invested in this theory being correct

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

These look like prefab houses.

They could well be built out of meltable junk.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That should be investigated.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's pretty standard buildings in the London suburbs.

They were supposed to be temporary, put up after WW2.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The cause of the fire should be investigated regardless of the home construction.

[–]CreditKnifeMan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They were supposed to be temporary, put up after WW2.

If they were built around WW2 then the fastening materials are steel.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's normally around 400 fires a day in the UK, and yet the papers were reporting "10 fires rage the country!"...

Fires are tragic, but these are normally caused by people being careless and are no anything new or in greater numbers or severity here. Sensationalism in the media as usual.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Sources https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/20/devastating-aftermath-of-dagenham-fire-where-14-houses-were-destroyed-17033488/

"How are the trees not burning down??" https://mobile.twitter.com/EmmaPee80641628/status/1549512656482074627

My prayer is that the cause of these fires would be made known and if they were deliberately started with evil intent, that people would realize who the enemy is, and realize the world system is corrupt, turn away from its ways, and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.

[–]CreditKnifeMan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Here's a source for the Paradise CA fires(searched for "Paradise").

Here's one video (of many) with some video highlights.

Paradise Lost # 70 ~ The 27 "Anamolies" in 27 Minutes

Makes you think...

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Looks like interesting material... thanks for sharing. 👍

[–]ID10T 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Many types of trees have evolved to survive forest fires. Fire is part of the natural environment of forests, typically started by lightening strikes after a dry spell. It's actually good for these types of trees, helps them grow. https://www.nationalforests.org/our-forests/your-national-forests-magazine/how-trees-survive-and-thrive-after-a-fire

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

First of all, trees did not evolve by a process of dumb natural forces but were created by God. Secondly, it is not good for people that fires sweep through urban areas and is not good for the trees that are growing in that environment.

A full and honest investigation should be done so the people know the actual cause of these fires that are burning neighborhoods.

The largest wildfire in New Mexico's state history, which happened this year (2022), was started by the government. The trees kept burning, one after another. Your so-called evolution idea fails there, too. It was almost impossible to stop the forests from burning.

[–]ID10T 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

How do you know that trees were created by a god?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trees predated god's by several hundred million years

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Like you, I believe it. You also speak as if you believe that trees designed themselves, while there is no scientific evidence for that. Part of the scientific method requires for proof that the occurrence be observable. But you were not around to observe the evolution of the tree over millions of years, were you? So, if you think it is true, you believe what other people told you, and they did not observe evolution of the tree either.

The teachings of Jesus Christ are the only explanation for our existence that makes sense. Our purpose is to love God and love each other, not wage senseless wars to kill our fellow man. Because I believe that Jesus is the truth, I believe his explanations for the origin of all life. And you also believe something without being able to scientifically prove it.

[–]ID10T 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

How do you know the bible isn't mythology invented by humans?

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

How do you know that evolution is not a lie created by evil in high places with the sole purpose to break the faith in a God who loves them and fights for them? If the evil side can convince people there is no God they would stop praying against their evil plans. And without Jesus, the Savior, all men would become slaves to the enemy. And the Bible tells us the end from the beginning. As we see the prophecies fulfilled, we gain faith that God's word is true.

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I don't "know" anything, however, evolution makes sense, it hasn't been disproven, and there's plenty of evidence. There is no evidence for a global conspiracy that evolution is a lie to convince people not to believe in God. There is no evidence that the bible was written by anyone besides humans.

So while I don't know which is actually true, it's only reasonable that I'll live with the assumption that the former is much more likely to be true and the latter highly likely to be false.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It is good for you to be humble and truthful and admit you do not know which is the absolute truth. Evolution does not make sense to me, although I once believed that lie.

Years ago I downloaded a computer program that tried to create random creatures, to see how evolution would work if the design of the creatures was left to blind chance, but rewarding those creatures that reached certain goals with the opportunity to reproduce. It was using the idea of "survival of the fittest". Well, the creatures created were deformed and never evolved into anything complex. The project was a flop and abandoned by its creators. Evolution was not shown to be true at all using computer simulations over millions of simulated generations.

When we hear about man making things like the COVID shots, we are reminded that man now edits the code of life, creating mRNA even for COVID, by cutting and pasting genetic material. But these COVID shots did not make themselves over millions of years of evolution, but were created in a lab by pharmaceutical companies and their scientists. Functional genetic material must have a creator, someone to write the code.

Humans did not create themselves. To me now, it is obvious, that we are fearfully and wonderfully made, and that Creator we call God, but I know him by his name, and I have heard him speak to me directly since I turned away from my sins. I am thankful that Jesus allows any of us, even the worst of sinners, to come to him and receive his salvation. He is mankind's greatest Friend, and whoever calls on his name shall be saved. But here comes the evolution lie to try to break that faith. Our enemy knows that is our only defence: faith in our Savior. One call on his name can make an eternal difference.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

As humans we all seek answers to the universal questions, why are we here? Where did we come from? For me the concept of god can never answer these fundamental questions, as it begs the even greater question, who or what created god?

Also, we don't have close to the technology to simulate the world, to demonstrate evolution as it may have happened on earth. But evolutionary self organization of smaller parts to create "creatures" of greater complexity through mutation has been done.

[–]In-the-clouds[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

why are we here?

We are here to take a test of free will. Your choices here determine your destiny in eternity.

Where did we come from?

We came forth from God's creative power. God is love. Our fundamental nature is also love. We are being tested to see how we love and what we love.

who or what created god?

God has always existed, without beginning or end.

The more questions you will ask in sincerity, the more God will teach you. He knows all of your thoughts and nothing you do or say is hidden from him. If you want the truth, he will reveal it to you in the form he chooses. If you do not want the truth, you will remain in darkness.

[–]JoeyJoeJoe 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ken Ham's school of lobotomised nonsense, ladies and gentlemen.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The fires got so hot they were vaporizing people outdoors. Aluminum rims were turned into pools of metal lying on the ground.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I mean all those residents without visas did suddenly disappear.