A study concluding that women who are mentored by men tend to be more successful had to be retracted because you can't say that!

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[–]ReeferMadness 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

I'm sure it goes double for men who get mentored by men vs women. I'm sure there are a few truly competent women in positions of authority to act as mentors, but the majority of them are there because of intersectionality. Not only are they less competent, they never had to overcome the obstacles that their proteges need help overcoming because those were removed for them.

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

Not where I work. The women are usually smarter and work harder. This isn't the 1950s, woman have to work to survive and usually make up 50% of the workforce, more in some areas of my industry.

The trouble is they can be right arseholes (hashtag notallwomen) because they want to make friends at work so when there's a fall out over work stuff it then is taken as a personal slight. My sister actually got banned from one studios films not because she did anything wrong but because the woman running it wanted to mother all her team and my sister (an ex banker) couldn't work that way and told her. Simply telling her was enough to bring on a whole "you'll never work again in this town" style tantrum.

[–]RatherSmallPotato 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

Working harder and being smarter are opposites lol

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Depends if you want to make money and have options or not. You can coast along your whole life in an easy job and someone else's spareroom if you like but that life is not for everyone.

[–]RatherSmallPotato 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

I disagree. The higher up you are the less you do. Your responsibilities change and you become responsible for the performance of others. If you play them right they are ones who work hard, you can go for a swim just before lunch. If you play them extra well, you can pick a fall guy to take the blame instead of you, and anything good that happens is because of you. Never be the bearer of bad news.

Source: HS dropout that managed engineers and used to go swimming right before lunch.

I quit because they wouldn't change my title to C-level, which it effectively was, so fuck them.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

This only works in the corporate world, again not everyone's choice. If you want to run your own business, thereby have control over your own destiny, the more work you put in the more results you see.

[–]RatherSmallPotato 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Depending on who you sell to. If you're B2B, you might be selling to a corporation that won't bother paying because they know you can't afford to take them to court. Add these up to the other 3 customers you have that only pay after 60 days and you're bankrupt after doing work and before starting to get any revenue whatsoever.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thats why you get deposits or don't let them get too far in front of their payments.. at any rate, I don't see how any of that has anything to with whether a person is female or male. That is a common issue that all businesses deal with.

[–]RatherSmallPotato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The conversation evolved past the title. And yeah, you do that and they simply don't choose you as a vendor.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If they don't pay you then you don't want them to have you as a vendor.

[–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I quit because they wouldn't change my title to C-level

Sound like they realized you were a terrible manager and were pushing you out. Maybe you aren't as clever as you think.

[–]RatherSmallPotato 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Long story, but you're wrong. Were I cleverer, I wouldn't have started.

[–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why not both.

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Far from the popular propaganda of the moment, men aren't the enemies of women anywhere near as often as women are the enemies of other women. A female will visciously go after another one for a perceived slight while a guy will either shrug it off or just not notice it.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, men are definitely the worst for Game of Thrones style backstabbing for very minor wins in the office but they usually do it with a clear goal/gain in mind.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

some do... but not enough I think to generalize about..

I'm not making any generalizations about females either...

Some people are emotional... some are pretty good at keeping that separate.

[–]luster 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

the woman running it wanted to mother all her team

I think a lot of the woke nonsense we deal with is the result of unfulfilled motherly instincts being misdirected at adults.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and childish instincts as well. ie.. the interest in being cared for by mommy or daddy government.

[–]hfxB0oyA 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Ehn, I disagree. I've worked with a number of females who have mentored me, both as colleagues and in roles senior to mine, and they've given me excellent guidance. I've never been under the impression that they were put in their positions to fulfill quotas.

[–]C3P0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Filling quotas and "token females" seems like a slightly different topic than the title.

My experience is similar to /u/jet199's:

When older men deal with younger men it's tough love all the way.

Male professors also seem to give females more favorable grades--oops, you can't say that.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh My God!!! Where's the cancel button on this thing...??

[–]christnmusicreleases[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Also that principle often applies to visible minorities of various flavors.

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    [–]madcow-5 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Being made partner at a law firm isn’t the only position in law. People make a lot of money at every level up to that. Partner is like a cliche goal from movies. I know attorneys who work as paralegals because it’s easier and they still make six figures.

    Also, women are handed jobs where they don’t pull their weight in tech all the time. If they so much as know basic html, companies will trip over themselves to hire them just to say they’re there.

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      [–]madcow-5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I've heard of women struggling to get hired in that field because of described misogynistic

      It's a lie. Problem is the fields full of nerds who can be pushed around. Companies trip over themselves to hire underqualified women, they just typically have no interest in tech. Most people don't tbh. The work is mentally strenuous and asocial. There's a reason nerds / awkward people thrive in it.

      [–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Perhaps in some fluffy roles

      Quite the opposite. It's the prestigious jobs that are targeted for "Diversity". I can see how law offices would be largely immune to this because of how they are structured, but you would be a fool to think that transfers to public defenders, prosecutors or any apprentice position. Intersectionality most definitely has left its mark on engineering and medicine.