Ruth Bader Ginsburg Voted to Kill Babies - More Babies Will Live Without Her

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[–]flush_the_turd 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (115 children)

What about a woman's right to choose?

[–]yishengqingwa666 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (51 children)

Men love forcing girls and women to give birth to unwanted offspring. It's a great way to keep us poor and under control.

[–]insta 14 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 7 fun -  (23 children)

Women love murdering babies. It relieves them of any responsibility for their actions.

[–]GConly 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

An embryo is not a baby.

Which is why the amount of sympathy and social acknowledgement you get when you miscarry at 2-3 months is virtually nil.

[–]insta 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

miscarry at 2-3 months is virtually nil.

Oh yeah for sure, it's treated socially the same as a bad diarrhea run. You're totally right.

[–]Canbot 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

That logic is exactly the same as Nazis saying Jews are't people so it is ok to kill them. You are despicable for dehumanizing babies to take their murder off your conscience.

[–]FediNetizen 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Logically, it is the same. The difference is one of those statements is true, and the other isn't.

[–]Canbot 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Irrelevant. It is a common tactic to dehumanize your enemies when you are at war. Particularly to brainwash your soldiers with that kind of propaganda so they don't hesitate to murder people on the battlefield.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No one is at war with zygotes, you idiot.

[–]ReeferMadness 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

There are 1.2 million abortions in the US per year. That is more people killed than in all the declared wars in the world combined, you idiot.

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

One is the potential for life, the other has experienced/is experiencing life actively. Massive fallacies in your logic here.

[–]Againstniggers 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Cope

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes we are

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A baby isn't small enough to go missing in a coin purse.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

A baby is not defined by it's size. It is no less human simply because it is smaller than you.

[–]ethiopia 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Which is why the amount of sympathy and social acknowledgement you get when you miscarry at 2-3 months is virtually nil.

idk what heathens you associate with, but for me and my friends its a deeply sad thing

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Compared to actually losing a baby, it's not in the same ballpark.

[–]ethiopia 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

that's a combination of factors, one being that complications during pregnancy and losing a pregnancy are more common, and also because people value a little baby over a fetus.

that isn't a good argument for abortion being moral.

look don't get me wrong, i'm down with the radfem arguments, coming from a very marxist background, reproductive labor, etc. I just view society, the world, from a different epistemological/philosophical standpoint than purely marxist (materialist/atheist) point. Although I have learned much from it.

I don't believe that it is a political issue, women ending their pregnancies. I think it is a moral issue. And I am allowed to have a moral disagreement. From a more reasoning perspective, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to women giving up their incredible power in creating life, educating their children, in favor of public education, propoganda/waste of time college, and a job that makes you just another worker. So I am in favor of traditional households, and what I mean by that isn't "mother rears, father brings home $$" I mean both parents, their extended families, are investing as much time into the children, emphasis on self-sustainability. Obviously very few people in the cosmopolitan world are in this position, but that's why we are in this shit situation to begin with.

this isn't even taking into account the eugenics part of birth control and abortion, and push towards promscuity

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It is the same ballpark.

[–]Catbug 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah the woman who got impregnated by rape should be responsible for her actions. Cmon man.

[–]insta 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah, some statistically tiny group gets abortions are from rape. That means all rape babies have the guilt of their fathers and should be murdered because of it. It also means that every other irresponsible woman on the face of the planet can use that as shield to make up excuses for their bad decisions.

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    [–]insta 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    Nice fresh one-liner. I should write it down.

    [–]AddledCorpse 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    Do you really believe that though?

    Men hate having unwanted children and constantly bitch about it.

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      [–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      So just to be clear, men providing for society's children helps justify their intervention in this matter, right? I'll have a follow up question.

      [–]AddledCorpse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      What makes you think men give a fuck?

      Do you actually think 'men' are at home scheming going "HA-HA Society should be forced to have kids that it cant contain unless its me! That will teach them!

      They literally dont care.

      And tonnes of men are the (serious) victims of kept-children. Fact. Its even like a social meme.

      The fact is the abortion issue is an ethical one in which women and men are both split on the issue. Women 50/50.

      Stop the dumb strawman/victimhood to try and prop up an enemy that isnt there to strengthen your own radicalism.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Are you suggesting we should kill unwanted children then?

      [–]ethiopia 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      lol this is such a stupid argument. most men who are out pumping and dumping girls unprotected don't want them to have babies. if a woman doesn't want offspring, use some of that health-destroying oral contraceptive, or an IUD, or plan B, or condoms. or maybe just maybe don't be so promiscious and wait for someone you want to build a family with to have unprotected sex.

      [–]Zahn 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Your comment doesn't follow any logic. A blanket statement and pathetic Strawman. Maybe men want children because they simply want offspring. It's not some ridiculous conspiracy to disempower women. It could easily be argued having children ultimately empowers women.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Plenty of women are against abortion too. This is silly.

      [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

      No one wants to force you to keep the baby. Just don't murder it.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

      People kinda don't like conservatives only care about children until they're born. I think both parties act like pieces of shit on this issue.

      [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

      How does not wanting babies to get murdered make you a piece of shit?

      [–]Catbug 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

      You offering to adopt the babies?

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

      No. I also don't want refugees from Syria. Does that mean it is OK to murder Syrians? No one wants them so they deserve to die, right?

      [–]Catbug 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

      It means that unless you’re willing to back up your words nobody is gonna care that you’re judging them. You won’t save the pwecious babies but still call a woman a murderer for terminating a fetus that has a tail but no developing brain, pumped into her by some rapist.

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      I just explained why your logic is flawed. But let me try once again, sigh.

      Calling someone a hypocrite is not a valid argument against their position. You can prove that simply by the fact that we all agree that murder is wrong, and when a murderer says that murder is wrong that does not make murder OK.

      I support orphanages, and I support forced IUD's and vasectomies for those who don't have the intelligence or self control to be responsible. There are other options besides murder.

      The vast, vast majority of abortions are women who got pregnant while voluntarily sleeping around. The fact that you have to lie about that fact proves that on some deeper level you actually understand how fucked up the situation really is, but are too brainwashed to stand against it so you cope by twisting the narrative. Rape babies may be a gray area, but they are an insignificantly small gray area; and can easily be excluded from common sense anti murder laws.

      [–]Catbug 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      https://images.app.goo.gl/RQLECy7jXjkZfomG7

      That’s not a baby. It’s a lump. Nobody is being murdered lol.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Come on dude this has been an issue probably since time immemorial but politically for the last 80! If you don't know what I'm talking about you're being willfully obtuse.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

      In today's world where there are 20+ types of birth control, 5 cent condoms (even free ones at every health clinic), easy access to sex education online, apps to track your cycle, cheap ovulation tests, and even the morning after pill, is abortion really THAT essential when there are already 20+ choices (many non-invasive) and the knowledge of risk? Not to mention that there are plenty of non-PIV ways to be intimate if you're ovulating.

      In a perfect world we'd have lots of choices and 0 abortions. Maybe one day we'll strive for that, especially since abortion is not 100% healthy for the woman getting one (physically and mentally), and can honestly be quite traumatic and cause infertility issues down the line.

      [–]jet199 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      The trouble is no contraception is 100% effective. Many abortions happen because other contraceptives fail. I mean the pill is only 99% effective which means it fails 1% of the time. When you think about all the millions of people having sex that's a lot of pregnancies.

      [–]GConly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      One percent fail rate per year, if used 100% correctly.

      If you depend of the pill your whole adult life, there's a very good chance you'll get pregnant.

      [–]C3P0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I'll also add that the pill hasn't even existed for the duration of a human life. The pill has effects on the body that won't be understood for hundreds of years--possibly even birth defects. There are already cases where women who stop the pill after a decade are unable to become pregnant.

      [–]GConly 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Having said that: I have PCOS, being on the pill stopped me developing ovarian cysts and kept me fertile.

      [–]C3P0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      18 years old to 40 years old assuming one has intercourse at a normal frequency: 0.9922 = 0.8

      If the goal is to accidentally get pregnant while on the pill, chances are it'll never happen.

      [–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      And yet here my daughter is.

      That also assumes perfect use, and people are imperfect.

      [–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      And with 2...

      [–]screwballeclipsed 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

      i like the idea of an individuals right to choose, but why does a pregnancy or child involve only the mother, when/if the child is born, it involves the father then? seems kindof convenient.

      i also feel like the free choice to have an abortion performed promotes irresponsibility/degeneracy that if an individual is having intercourse, it will not be an issue if that individual becomes pregnant, no problem, just do an abortion.

      [–]yishengqingwa666 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

      Women gestate a child for 9 months and go through permanent body changes and extreme pain and discomfort. Get a vasectomy, wear a condom, or keep your dick in your pants.

      [–]LesbianOutlaw 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

      Option D: Just take testosterone blockers. Birth control for men already exists and it’s called spironolactone, a generic medicine you can get for $8 at Walmart. And you get the bonus side effect of reduced blood pressure and lowered sodium levels.

      When you have low testosterone levels you stop producing sperm.

      [–]AddledCorpse 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (13 children)

      Lmao.

      Imagine men actually going and taking T blockers. Thats why modernity is so fucked.

      [–]LesbianOutlaw 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

      That’d be nice. We would see a noticeable decrease in the violent crime rate.

      [–]AddledCorpse 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      No we wont.

      High E and low T leads to massive increases in aggression, depression and unhappiness. What a dumb and ignorant statement.

      Perhaps you could look at the particular demographics in which violent crime and rape is epidemic. But I can assume thats way off the agenda

      [–]LesbianOutlaw 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      If you are trying to tell me that blacks commit more crime, then I’m telling you that black MEN commit more crime. Black women don’t have shit to do with it and I’m tired of seeing them thrown under the bus. No, it’s not “13% of the population commits 50% of the crime.” It’s more like “6.5% of the population commits 50% of the crime.”

      Don’t even come at me with that “blacks commit more crime!!” bullshit if you’re going to ignore the fact that black women commit less crime than men of any race — white men, Asian men, Hispanic men — they all commit violent crimes more than black women.

      If you don’t accept that there is a correlation between being male and criminality then you’re just as delusional as the liberals who think that all of the races commit equal amounts of crime and it’s just “the system” that exaggerates how much crime blacks engage in.

      [–]AddledCorpse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Nice strawman.

      You make some good points I already agree with.

      However, youre addressing an argument I didnt make so im just going to leave that there.

      [–]peety 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=zpYZ_1600275880

      [–]peety 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=shY4u_1599799921

      [–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      It also destroys your immune response and leaves you vulnerable to illness, and contributes to other health issues.

      The shit thing is that hormonal contraceptives wreak havoc on women's bodies as well.

      [–]LesbianOutlaw 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      You two are so full of shit it’s not even funny.

      I don’t know what kind of weirdass dudebro MRA science blog you’ve been reading, but out here in the real world testosterone is well documented to raise aggression levels in all species, and men have noticeably weaker immune systems than women do. That’s why they went so far as to explore medicating men with estrogen to see if it increased the COVID-19 survival rate for males.

      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31748-7/fulltext

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I don’t know what kind of weirdass dudebro MRA science blog you’ve been reading

      I don't agree with you but I thought that's a fantastic sentence.

      Personally I think maybe we shouldn't fuck with nature. What hubris to assume we can do better than millions of years of evolution.

      [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Dudebro MRA science? Truly?

      The different sexes have different ways that their immune systems function and different requirements. Weaker in some aspects doesn't mean weaker in all aspects. And who the fuck wants to deal with a bunch of sissified men? It's bad enough that the newer generations don't know fuckall about how to survive from outside of their parents' household til their 30s, can we please not even discuss the enforcement of bitchmade men that are mentally unstable and unable to keep their shit together.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6119719/

      [–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      And then when they have low T, can they take estrogen and mutilation surgery to become a woman? If they still want to date women are they a lesbian?

      [–]ethiopia 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Testosterone increasing propensity to commit crime in a certain position doesn't mean a higher/lower testosterone increases/decreases crime.

      Outlawing pornography and taking violent/sexually abusive men off the street would do better to fix society in that regard, than tesosterone blockers.

      We shouldn't be fucking with our hormones one way or another.

      [–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      13% of the population represents 50% of violent crime according to the fbi. get rid of that portion of the population, but nobody is doing that either.

      [–]Drcolossus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You can also develop breasts from taking it lol

      [–]ReeferMadness 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Get an IUD, birth control, or keep your legs closed.

      [–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Women gestate a child for 9 months and go through permanent body changes and extreme pain and discomfort

      obviously it differs for all women. i have family who look just as good after. not all women have 'extreme' pain.

      Get a vasectomy, wear a condom, or keep your dick in your pants.

      of course, it's the mans fault is what you're implying.

      [–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Aren't you part of the lezzie goon squad brigade? You guys hate children, men, and families in general, so perhaps this isn't an appropriate topic for you in the first place.

      [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      What the fuck is the lezzie goon squad? Were she a lesbian, lesbians can still be raped, dumbass.

      While I don't feel that fantastic about PP's take on treating it like you're going out for fucking ice cream, it's more necessary than extreme overpopulation. Do you truly think that people are going to exhibit self control when it comes to sex? Do you think that people are just going to couple up together and behave themselves after the discovery of a pregnancy? Nope. You're just gonna have more fucked up kids sprawling the world. Think of every single abortion, now think about them all making it to term. Adoption is an option, sure.. for those that meet all of the requirements. But there's already problems with how that system functions, and were all those abortions instead brought to term there wouldn't be nearly enough people to even think about adoption.

      [–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Triggered lezzie goon squad apologist. Asking for Misandrist, anti-natal lesbians their opinion on abortion is like asking pedophiles opinion on child porn laws, or Nazis opinion on gassing Jews.

      You talk too much and say too little. Go prattle away in your circle jerk echo chamber and scheme about brigading other threads with your toxic opinions.

      [–]Overdrive 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Abortions are quite painful, expensive and time consuming. So it's not exactly a "no problem" deal slip on into the doctor's real quick. There's a process, and I agree with the process fully. There definitely should be a process of some sort.

      I don't really see it as promoting long term degeneracy. Maybe in some cases? However I don't feel that giving some sleaze bag the option to do whatever they want should disqualify the average person's right to use it should the need ever arise.

      [–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Abortions are quite painful, expensive and time consuming

      i imagine they are. are painkillers not used? and i didn't say it was a ""no problem" deal slip on into the doctor's real quick."

      I don't really see it as promoting long term degeneracy

      it isn't just a person, it is society. immorality.

      However I don't feel that giving some sleaze bag the option to do whatever they want should disqualify the average person's right to use it should the need ever arise.

      huh? elaborate please.

      [–]Overdrive 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      It was heavily implied with the way you had worded it and so I had wanted to add clarification in case someone else understood it as I did. It is not a non problem. Painkillers are used however not enough to completely take any pain away. They do help.

      Yeah I just don't see access to abortions as being something that furthers a society's morality or immorality, especially if we are talking about sex. Same for the individual. Abortions don't promote loose sex. By that logic condoms do, high heels do, shaved chests do, and I just can't see all those things as being denegrading to society I am sorry.

      What I meant by that last bit is my belief that an innocent person shouldn't suffer because of the stupid actions of another. Just because some people drive drunk and injure others doesn't mean we have the right to ban all alcohol.

      [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

      You have the choice to use birth control, the choice to keep your legs closed; you do not have the choice to kill someone else because you fucked up. Baby's body, baby's right to live.

      [–]flush_the_turd 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

      The government doesn't have a right to tell women what they can do with their bodies

      [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

      The government has ever right to protect the baby from being murdered by it's mother.

      [–]flush_the_turd 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

      The republicans only care about the baby up until it's born. Then it's fuck you.

      [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

      Welfare exists. Orphanages exist. Adoption exists. Republicans support all of it. You are full of shit.

      [–]flush_the_turd 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/trumps-budget-is-a-292-billion-attack-on-poor-americans/

      [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Not wanting to support 30 year old drug addicts while they refuse to get off drugs and get a job has fuck all to do with abortion.

      [–]flush_the_turd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      So only 30 yr old drug addicts get food stamps, wic, and housing assistance? Stop believing all the lies and get your head out of you ass.

      https://www.govini.com/editorial-item/the-10-largest-programs-on-trumps-chopping-block/

      https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/news/2020/08/12/489401/trumps-plan-defund-social-security/

      And if you still don't believe it, then you can fuck right off.

      [–]Canbot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      "but I won't afford huh gucci and iphone" is not a valid excuse to murder your child. You don't need to be a cum dumpster in the first place.

      "but you don't support infinite welfare and that means you don't REALLY care about the babies" is utterly retarded, if you don't believe that you can fuck right off.

      [–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Brutal.jpeg

      [–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      Are you religious? I can't imagine anyone having opinions this extreme on abortion without the brain washing of some religious sect.

      [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      No, I am merely logical. The baby is clearly human, and clearly a baby. If murder is wrong, then it applies to babies as well. What is extreme is denying the babies humanity because you want to justify murder. Especially when 90% of abortions are done simply because the baby is not wanted.

      [–]Bl_nk 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Clump of cells is not a baby, at least be honest.

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You ARE a clump of cells. This argument is fucking retarded.

      [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Killing a baby illogical and immoral. Terminating a pregnancy within the first 12 weeks is not comparable to killing a baby. Are you going to go through and have every food and spice that can stimulate uterine contractions put on a list as illegal for women to consume at all after they start menstruating too? I guess no more Italian food since basil, oregano and rosemary are on there. No more passion flower tea to help with sleep, no chamomile tea to help with relaxation.

      https://www.utep.edu/herbal-safety/populations/herbs-to-avoid-during-pregnancy.html

      [–]Bl_nk 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Considering 33% of all pregnancies end in miscarriages ''god'' is the #1 abortionist.

      [–]Velocity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Not killing the unborn is an extreme belief? You, uh talk about brainwashing, yet you sound as if you've become alienated from your own basic human compassion.

      [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I have a hard line of no post-first trimester (up to 12 weeks) abortions outside of some sort of serious defect or the pregnancy being life threatening. My own line would be 9 weeks, but I'm not sure that I could go through the process myself. I certainly don't consider them to be anymore than the framework of basic human anatomy til after maybe 9 weeks. They don't have complex enough brain/nervous system development that early on to even feel pain.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      A baby is a different organism from the mother. A mother does not have the right to kill her unborn child. You might as well say that a mother has a right to kill her child that is born out of her body also according to the laws that allow abortion.

      [–]flush_the_turd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Bullshit take.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You are not even refuting any of my points.

      So an unborn child is not an individual organism, not a different human than the mother? Babies can survive even after 21 weeks in the womb outside:

      https://www.lifenews.com/2020/06/24/born-at-21-weeks-youngest-surviving-premature-baby-in-the-world-now-heading-home/

      Is that baby a part of the mother's body? If you can kill the baby at that age while its in the womb, then logically you should be allowed to kill it when it is outside of the womb, there is no difference.

      If a mother can kill her unborn child, can she kill her child that is born then? Yes or no?

      Do you actually know the process of abortions? It involves using a vacuum to violently destroy the fetus, and it later stages, ripping the baby limb from limb and crushing their head, and at the latest stages, killing the baby by injecting poison in them. That is what abortions are. Violent killing of a life.

      [–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That infant has an extremely high likelihood of suffering from long-term health problems.

      The advocation for termination of a very much not viable fetus during the first trimester still stands. Especially when the rate of spontaneous abortion at that point is high enough as it is. A pregnancy at that point can be terminated by pill alone.

      [–]Leo_Littlebook 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Women choose men who deny them the right to choose, hence low Western birthrates and their support for mass alien immigration.