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[–]screwballeclipsed 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

i like the idea of an individuals right to choose, but why does a pregnancy or child involve only the mother, when/if the child is born, it involves the father then? seems kindof convenient.

i also feel like the free choice to have an abortion performed promotes irresponsibility/degeneracy that if an individual is having intercourse, it will not be an issue if that individual becomes pregnant, no problem, just do an abortion.

[–]yishengqingwa666 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

Women gestate a child for 9 months and go through permanent body changes and extreme pain and discomfort. Get a vasectomy, wear a condom, or keep your dick in your pants.

[–]LesbianOutlaw 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

Option D: Just take testosterone blockers. Birth control for men already exists and it’s called spironolactone, a generic medicine you can get for $8 at Walmart. And you get the bonus side effect of reduced blood pressure and lowered sodium levels.

When you have low testosterone levels you stop producing sperm.

[–]AddledCorpse 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (13 children)

Lmao.

Imagine men actually going and taking T blockers. Thats why modernity is so fucked.

[–]LesbianOutlaw 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

That’d be nice. We would see a noticeable decrease in the violent crime rate.

[–]AddledCorpse 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

No we wont.

High E and low T leads to massive increases in aggression, depression and unhappiness. What a dumb and ignorant statement.

Perhaps you could look at the particular demographics in which violent crime and rape is epidemic. But I can assume thats way off the agenda

[–]LesbianOutlaw 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you are trying to tell me that blacks commit more crime, then I’m telling you that black MEN commit more crime. Black women don’t have shit to do with it and I’m tired of seeing them thrown under the bus. No, it’s not “13% of the population commits 50% of the crime.” It’s more like “6.5% of the population commits 50% of the crime.”

Don’t even come at me with that “blacks commit more crime!!” bullshit if you’re going to ignore the fact that black women commit less crime than men of any race — white men, Asian men, Hispanic men — they all commit violent crimes more than black women.

If you don’t accept that there is a correlation between being male and criminality then you’re just as delusional as the liberals who think that all of the races commit equal amounts of crime and it’s just “the system” that exaggerates how much crime blacks engage in.

[–]AddledCorpse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice strawman.

You make some good points I already agree with.

However, youre addressing an argument I didnt make so im just going to leave that there.

[–]peety 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]peety 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It also destroys your immune response and leaves you vulnerable to illness, and contributes to other health issues.

The shit thing is that hormonal contraceptives wreak havoc on women's bodies as well.

[–]LesbianOutlaw 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You two are so full of shit it’s not even funny.

I don’t know what kind of weirdass dudebro MRA science blog you’ve been reading, but out here in the real world testosterone is well documented to raise aggression levels in all species, and men have noticeably weaker immune systems than women do. That’s why they went so far as to explore medicating men with estrogen to see if it increased the COVID-19 survival rate for males.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31748-7/fulltext

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t know what kind of weirdass dudebro MRA science blog you’ve been reading

I don't agree with you but I thought that's a fantastic sentence.

Personally I think maybe we shouldn't fuck with nature. What hubris to assume we can do better than millions of years of evolution.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dudebro MRA science? Truly?

The different sexes have different ways that their immune systems function and different requirements. Weaker in some aspects doesn't mean weaker in all aspects. And who the fuck wants to deal with a bunch of sissified men? It's bad enough that the newer generations don't know fuckall about how to survive from outside of their parents' household til their 30s, can we please not even discuss the enforcement of bitchmade men that are mentally unstable and unable to keep their shit together.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6119719/

[–]SaidOverRed 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And then when they have low T, can they take estrogen and mutilation surgery to become a woman? If they still want to date women are they a lesbian?

[–]ethiopia 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Testosterone increasing propensity to commit crime in a certain position doesn't mean a higher/lower testosterone increases/decreases crime.

Outlawing pornography and taking violent/sexually abusive men off the street would do better to fix society in that regard, than tesosterone blockers.

We shouldn't be fucking with our hormones one way or another.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

13% of the population represents 50% of violent crime according to the fbi. get rid of that portion of the population, but nobody is doing that either.

[–]Drcolossus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can also develop breasts from taking it lol

[–]ReeferMadness 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Get an IUD, birth control, or keep your legs closed.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women gestate a child for 9 months and go through permanent body changes and extreme pain and discomfort

obviously it differs for all women. i have family who look just as good after. not all women have 'extreme' pain.

Get a vasectomy, wear a condom, or keep your dick in your pants.

of course, it's the mans fault is what you're implying.

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Aren't you part of the lezzie goon squad brigade? You guys hate children, men, and families in general, so perhaps this isn't an appropriate topic for you in the first place.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What the fuck is the lezzie goon squad? Were she a lesbian, lesbians can still be raped, dumbass.

While I don't feel that fantastic about PP's take on treating it like you're going out for fucking ice cream, it's more necessary than extreme overpopulation. Do you truly think that people are going to exhibit self control when it comes to sex? Do you think that people are just going to couple up together and behave themselves after the discovery of a pregnancy? Nope. You're just gonna have more fucked up kids sprawling the world. Think of every single abortion, now think about them all making it to term. Adoption is an option, sure.. for those that meet all of the requirements. But there's already problems with how that system functions, and were all those abortions instead brought to term there wouldn't be nearly enough people to even think about adoption.

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Triggered lezzie goon squad apologist. Asking for Misandrist, anti-natal lesbians their opinion on abortion is like asking pedophiles opinion on child porn laws, or Nazis opinion on gassing Jews.

You talk too much and say too little. Go prattle away in your circle jerk echo chamber and scheme about brigading other threads with your toxic opinions.

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Is this what self-imposed lobotomy looks like? Screeching buzz words with a flip of the wrist and an absolutely ass-annihilated dismissal of someone else's opinions still actually fucking count beyond yours regarding the topic at hand?

What a baby.

[–]Overdrive 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Abortions are quite painful, expensive and time consuming. So it's not exactly a "no problem" deal slip on into the doctor's real quick. There's a process, and I agree with the process fully. There definitely should be a process of some sort.

I don't really see it as promoting long term degeneracy. Maybe in some cases? However I don't feel that giving some sleaze bag the option to do whatever they want should disqualify the average person's right to use it should the need ever arise.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Abortions are quite painful, expensive and time consuming

i imagine they are. are painkillers not used? and i didn't say it was a ""no problem" deal slip on into the doctor's real quick."

I don't really see it as promoting long term degeneracy

it isn't just a person, it is society. immorality.

However I don't feel that giving some sleaze bag the option to do whatever they want should disqualify the average person's right to use it should the need ever arise.

huh? elaborate please.

[–]Overdrive 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was heavily implied with the way you had worded it and so I had wanted to add clarification in case someone else understood it as I did. It is not a non problem. Painkillers are used however not enough to completely take any pain away. They do help.

Yeah I just don't see access to abortions as being something that furthers a society's morality or immorality, especially if we are talking about sex. Same for the individual. Abortions don't promote loose sex. By that logic condoms do, high heels do, shaved chests do, and I just can't see all those things as being denegrading to society I am sorry.

What I meant by that last bit is my belief that an innocent person shouldn't suffer because of the stupid actions of another. Just because some people drive drunk and injure others doesn't mean we have the right to ban all alcohol.

[–]screwballeclipsed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

enough to completely take any pain away

enough drugs can take all the pain away, just depends on how far one is willing to go.

Yeah I just don't see access to abortions as being something that furthers a society's morality

i don't think you should dismiss that completely. meaning you have to admit that all the examples you gave affect morality. the difference between condoms, abortion, shaved chests or the way a person dresses is that abortion involves killing a life. if a person doesn't have to worry about that life, by using a morning after pill or abortion, one is more likely to engage in intercourse. it just seems like a really irresponsible lifestyle.