Federal Reserve announces major ‘pilot exercise’ for ESG social credit score system - "Climate finance" is almost identical to the Chinese Communist Party's social credit score system.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T19:22:44+00:00

Which will ultimately influence Arizona state and municipal bond yields, and put financial pressure on any entity over-exposed to lending to Arizonans.

So it's only right and prudential, that the Fed and the six national banks mentioned, conduct a stress testing exercise to ensure the country's financial health does not all come tumbling down due to extreme climate events.

This is not about social credit score. This is not even about corporate ESG. The substack blogger and OP are idiot conspiritards who don't read their own sources. Just like so many of their ilk

IkeConn · 2022-09-30T19:20:07+00:00

Go to the nearest Waffle House.

IkeConn · 2022-09-30T19:20:00+00:00

Go to the nearest Waffle House.

IkeConn · 2022-09-30T19:19:08+00:00

So if I fly to San Francisco, steal high end bikes, and then sell them on Ebay these lefties will assume I'm a darkie. It works for me. Leave your high end bikes outside. I'll take care of them.

Totoro · 2022-09-30T19:03:27+00:00

arizona dry up

As an AZ native, it is drying up. Our lakes have shrunk so much, it's sad. Californians coming over in droves is going to kill the AZ water issue which was already an issue.

charlie6067 · 2022-09-30T18:51:34+00:00

You deserve what you tolorate..

Horrux · 2022-09-30T18:34:18+00:00

Of course they are... They're launching FedNow, the precursor to their CBDC totalitarian communist dicatorial "money" system in 2023. They have to have the social credit score ready for when the absolute tyranny funny "money" system becomes mandatory.

They'll absolutely destroy the economy before that, to ensure that Joe Average has no option but to suck Big Brother's cock until nourishment ensues.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T17:56:23+00:00

If an ESG rating can be construed as a social credit system

ESG is not what the NY times article or the fed announcement is actually about (it's about capital stress testing).

Obviously ESG topics are a real thing that investors can consider and debt/security issuers can talk about. But ESG topics are NOT a lead-in to social credit scores by any means. You have more legwork to do, if you want to suggest that, to flesh out an argument as to why that would be the case. Like - if the SEC were implementing a standardised ESG rating system, then you could maybe argue that, but they're not.

complete with possible contributions and an expectation of compliance from major companies, is noteworthy.

Well, just to be clear, the companies listed on the researchandmarkets link have no expectation that they will comply with the researchandmarkets paper. They simply manufacture components that are named in the paper. Like Cisco. They make routers, and routers are topic that the paper purports to cover - there is no obligation upon Cisco to follow or read this paper at all.

This sounds like something that at least a few individuals have a lot of thought and time invested in. And money, too, by the looks of the $2,500 price tag to even read the whole article.

But your link doesn't establish that fact, all it shows is that there's a blurb and a 2.5k price tag. We don't know whether anyone has ever paid, downloaded and read it, or what they took from the paper. Or even that there's a real document behind it. Again I argue that if Cisco and whoever was really working on this, your evidence would be something stronger than this junk.

All your link shows - again in the most generous case - is that some website operator tries to charge 2.5k to hear their thoughts on a topic. It doesn't mean the topic is real or anyone is acting on it.

GeorgeCarlin · 2022-09-30T17:40:17+00:00

It's called Sweden, bro. Don't throw up, when you realize their matrix already owns you...

tiny-brown-mug · 2022-09-30T17:40:02+00:00

Hey, Site. If an ESG rating can be construed as a social credit system or a lead-in thereto, I'd argue that a document outlining possible ways and means to actually implement a global social credit system, complete with possible contributions and an expectation of compliance from major companies, is noteworthy.

While it is possible that this idea will never come to full fruition, my point was simply that the idea is there, people are actively trying to puzzle out how to make one work, and specifics, corporations, and region-by-region game plans are laid out. This sounds like something that at least a few individuals have a lot of thought and time invested in. And money, too, by the looks of the $2,500 price tag to even read the whole article.

When people have a lot of money invested in something, they tend to at least try to bring it on-line. Just saying.

Brewdabier · 2022-09-30T17:37:20+00:00

With the higher wages and anti work movement I knew this could happen.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T17:13:05+00:00

I guess I am pretty skeptical that you've found a real thing of any relevance here. Shouldn't there be an author or a journal name? Are you sure this is a real thing? How have you determined that this is a real thing and not, say, some prankster who wrote a blurb and put a fake high pricetag?

I guess the most generous explanation is that

Researchandmarkets have paid an analyst to write about behavioural monitoring technology
They are selling the resulting paper for 2.5K

Like, even in this super generous explanation, there's no implication that social credit will be a real thing? Or that the listed companies are truly involved in anything other than their normal business operations.

If you thought social credit was a real thing that companies were working on, wouldn't your proof be something stronger than a blurb for sale for 2.5k?

Then there's the issue that - because you never clicked op link and read the NYtimes page - your formulation of social credit, has absolutely zero to do with the topic at hand here, which is stress testing capital requirements for banking licenses, which you can't really tell me is a bad idea

FuckYourMom · 2022-09-30T16:59:06+00:00

Def not 100%. We can talk about it another time or ping this message in a week; and I’ll have some more time to screw around.

Im not particularly interested in reptilians unless there’s new information. Like I don’t want to waste time on a silly “conspiracy theory” that we don’t have much evidence for. Even though I believe, I’m more likely to argue against their existence than for.

usurper · 2022-09-30T16:56:32+00:00

Your stupid word games aside, there are groups that carry out violence, threats, terrorism, harassment and other crimes against perceived political opponents under the guise of being “anti-fascist” or antifa. With their definition of what constitutes fascism varying greatly.

These groups are protected by Neocon money and power. Everyone who hasnt undergone an establishment lobotomy knows this.

What or who they consider “fascist” is irrelevant. I don't agree with either fascism or marxism, but I don’t violently attack or harass someone who holds those or any other political views. To do so is the very definition of terrorism. Only neocons genuinely like antifa and your post history reveals you are a classic neocon, regardless of what you choose to call yourself. Obsessed with Russia, Iran, Syria, and anyone else who opposes israel or neocon hegemony.

Vulptex · 2022-09-30T16:56:18+00:00

Why does that mean there are reptillians?

FuckYourMom · 2022-09-30T16:51:34+00:00

Yea. I haven’t seen one. The reason I believe it is the real missing kids, and predictive programming.

Chipit · 2022-09-30T16:39:54+00:00

I already addressed that, the wealthy and powerful who welcome migrants should have opened their homes voluntarily. What a wonderful way to virtue signal!

But instead they had the migrants forcibly removed (deported) to a military base.

if the "little guy" is state governor de Santis then are the homeless refugees the powerful ones?

Martha's Vineyard residents are the powerful, we the American people who they are plaguing with immigrants are the little guy.

ExplodingToasterOven · 2022-09-30T16:30:04+00:00

lol! Meanwhile they're building a MASSIVE building complex in Redmond.

tiny-brown-mug · 2022-09-30T16:27:28+00:00

There is a full paper, but you have to pay $2,500 for the license to download it (upper right corner of website under "purchase options", highlighted in yellow). Many of us don't have $2,500 lying around. This is essentially a game-plan for implementing a global social credit system, complete with what I am assuming is a year-by-year break down, as the report title includes the words "2021-2026". Meaning that some people are thinking very seriously about making this a reality.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T16:18:33+00:00

Did you forget to click the link to the post where you definitely said what you later denied saying? You told me I had invented it - isn't that called gaslighting?

It's a fact that these migrants who would have very much liked to stay in these nice houses

Probably but we have the third amendment in this country dipshit

Deported

Alexa define "deported"

Also you forgot to answer - if the "little guy" is state governor de Santis then are the homeless refugees the powerful ones?

Chipit · 2022-09-30T16:09:27+00:00

It's a fact that these migrants who would have very much liked to stay in these nice houses were immediately deported by the wealthy and powerful of Martha's Vineyard to a military base where they're in tents.

Whenever elites lecture you about tolerance and compassion, they are never talking about themselves.

ID10T · 2022-09-30T16:01:57+00:00

Yeah that's what I gathered from the article. Sounds reasonable and nothing to do with social credit. It's not even scoring individuals. It's rating portfolios based on risk assessment, a totally normal thing that any responsible financial institution would do.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T15:59:32+00:00

That's not happening and it's not what this article is about. So you're right not to be shocked

LordoftheFlies · 2022-09-30T15:56:09+00:00

Patriot Front gets rolled up by the Feds with the quickness, Antifa just cruises along untouched.

January 6th "insurrectionists" are identified almost before their protest is over (and their every last background detail loving dug up and shown off for the world to see almost as quickly), with everyone and their dog coming out the woodwork to join in the hunt. But, somehow, nobody can figure out who those masked hipster douches in the branded anarchy merch are...

Tells me everything I need to know about Antifa and who's holding their leash.

In-the-clouds · 2022-09-30T15:38:03+00:00

The world will continue to suffer more food and water shortages, because the people do not repent. Remember the water crisis in Jackson, MS?

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T15:34:41+00:00

Did she lose her land or did she gain a huge part of the ocean?

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T15:31:48+00:00

This headline is a lie and you're all morons for using it to confirm your bias towards paranoia.

At first I dug in because I wanted to find out - is the fed standardising an ESG policy for debt issuers? Wouldn't that be the job of the SEC and not the fed?

But my suspicions were right, it's all totally bullshit. Here is the kernal of truth, about which this whole BS was written:

Six of the nation's largest banks will participate in a pilot climate scenario analysis exercise... to measure and manage climate-related financial risks.

It's an exercise where they ask: if some country unexpectedly floods, is your bank over-exposed to their debt? If the water sources feeding las Vegas and arizona dry up, will it affect your banking customers' deposits in Minnesota?

That's a fair and sensible line of enquiry for the fed to take banks down.

Not only is it not ESG related but it's not credit score related either.

Why am I the only commenter here who actually reads the article? Y'all who are calling this a China credit score problem need to explain how you're getting there from bank stress testing exercises. Because it's bullshit, you didn't read it, just confirmed your bias towards paranoia

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T15:24:27+00:00

What even is this? You seem to have found the brief for a scientific paper that someone wrote. But there's no author or journal named. Are you sure this is a real thing? Is there a full paper somewhere? Sorry if I'm missing something obvious

P-38lightning · 2022-09-30T14:48:51+00:00

Keep your eye on the push for a digital currency. That's the first step and there is talk about it here in the US. Say or think something big Government doesn't like and they can turn off your money without the ability to fall back on cash. Cash is gone.

We need to resist the push for digital currency at all costs.

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T14:16:51+00:00

That's why you use the government and the businesses to ban jews

Vulptex · 2022-09-30T13:47:35+00:00

Probably just clickbait, but some people think all the elite are reptillians.

tiny-brown-mug · 2022-09-30T13:41:25+00:00

Check this out, bros.

https://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/5134311/socialcredit-market-by-physical-and-cyber?utm_source=CI&utm_medium=PressRelease&utm_code=8q35zh&utm_campaign=1420275+-+Global+Social+Credit+Market+Study+and+Forecast+2020-2025+-+Infrastructure+to+Support+Social+Credit+Systems+Represents+a+Nearly+%2414.7B+Global+Opportunity+by+2025&utm_exec=joca220prd

Here's their game plan. All laid out. Check out the biggest names on board. Amazon, Apple, Google, Meta.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T13:36:43+00:00

All of this is pulled out of your ass.

Here's the post you claimed not to have written. Do you still think I invented it?

https://saidit.net/s/news/comments/9t33/the_marthas_vineyard_residents_who_deported_50/znms

"they're the ones who preach tolerance and open-mindedness all the time. And yet, here they are in direct violation of those creeds."

You found a tweet of a facebook post which you cannot attribute, but you can only invent narratives around it because you're a retard.

The residents of Martha's Vineyard are the powerful ones. Floridians and the rest of America are the little guy.

And the refugees who fled their houses because of violence, only to be lied to and trafficked around America by powerful political figures for showpiece stunts? Where are they in this analogy

tiny-brown-mug · 2022-09-30T13:35:43+00:00

I'm not shocked. I've been sensing this has been coming for a long time, too. I strongly feel that most of this will be linked to our social media accounts.

Say the wrong thing? Get dinged. We're basically headed towards a Social Credit System, and it'll start with big tech. We're already there. It just needs to be streamlined and organized.

Anman · 2022-09-30T12:54:09+00:00

Please hurry up and die so we can go back to normal messenger programs from 15 years ago. And I don't mean shit like discord.

GeorgeCarlin · 2022-09-30T12:50:51+00:00

I had this feeling for a long time...

That most espionage in standard corporate klectopcracy switched directions (globally considered) at an arbitrary point in time in the last decade.

BMW e.g. tried to build a R & D division in China when they expanded there in the first decade of this millenium. But they brought this division back to Germany in less than two years. They kept a lid on this failed endeavor but I always suspected this happened because of espionage. (Which is extremely fast for their usual modus operandi, tbh)

Nowadays US spies steal Chinese intellectual "property" they themselves pirated together from all over the world. To implement it in US. Like Siemens developing the frictionless maglev train but German bobbleheads are too fucking stupid to spend a dime on it. China then gratefully built it in Shanghai.

Isn't this at least a little bit ironic ?

Maybe in the next decade (let's assume the thirties) US kids built smartphones for rich and fat Chinese people in some sweatshop. Instead of vice versa, like it happens right now. After they sold Apple for parts because the dollar is worth less than toilet paper. Which is a possible scenario. If they don't want to, well :

They always can starve voluntarily, can't they ?

Somebody should take down the statue of liberty, finally. It was a lie to begin with.

You can't tell me anyone actually wants all the crooks, cons and hipocrites invading "his" country.

There was a justifiable reason German Nazis forced those people to wear a visible sign as long as they could hold their reign in Europe. Their arguments for this were bs mostly, but it was justifiable at least so far that most citizens actually followed them on this voluntarily. Otherwise they never could have pulled off their legal(very sad, nonetheless) powergrab in Germany.

Canbot · 2022-09-30T12:46:11+00:00

You sure as shit won't oppose them with the government and business they own.

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T12:00:15+00:00

Are you antiwhite? Do you support nonwhite immigration into white countries? Do you support abortion/killing white babies in white countries? Do you support jews?

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T11:21:48+00:00

How will you oppose jews without using the power of the government and the business market?

Canbot · 2022-09-30T10:20:05+00:00

Any rational person opposes jews. But allowing business and government to become one is a recipe for tyranny. That is fascism, and any rational person will oppose that too.

Canbot · 2022-09-30T10:08:48+00:00

You are tools uses by others to cause chaos and destruction. The causes you think you are fighting for are nothing more than propaganda used to control you.

Unions fight for workers rights, you are not a union.

When the fascists want to push thier anti meat agenda they tell you to attack farmers and use animal rights propaganda to control you.

Antifa does zero to fight corporations. They use the BLM riots to destroy small businesses for the benefit of giant conglomerates owned by the .01%. If Antifa ever caused a problem for corporations they wouldn't be supported by corporation.

Nationalism is the only thing that can bring everyone together. It is the only thing we all have in common. The .01% use our differences to divide and conquer. And you are the attack dogs that destroy the one thing that can bring us all together.

Antifa are guilty of uncountable violent crimes. The claim that you fight for human rights is laughable. You are violent thugs, who violently silence peaceful opposition to the oligarchs.

Equality is what you literally fight against. You use the term equity to justify that attack on Equality. You have a perverted concept of equity that can't ever be achieved and therfore can always be used to justify any evil, violent bullshit you do. It is absolutely despicable

I think you are brainwashed.

Jewishnigger · 2022-09-30T09:58:42+00:00

You might have some mental illness rabbi

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T09:56:39+00:00

No, but fascists oppose a people, the jews.

Canbot · 2022-09-30T09:55:08+00:00

Fascim isn't a people. The fuck are you on?

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T08:19:59+00:00

Look at the German Revolution which caused the fascist uprising in Nazi Germany:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%931919

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Eisner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Zetkin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Levi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Jogiches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Toller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_M%C3%BChsam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Landauer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Levin%C3%A9
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Radek

What do all the leaders have in common? They are all fucking jews. They are not "fascists" they are communist jews.

Fascists are those who oppose this weimerica we live in today with trannies, gays, mass immigration, prostitues etc running wild

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T08:11:38+00:00

Are you jewish or did you just fall for jewish propaganda?

What do you think the bolsheviks did? What are they, the jews, doing today? Combining Government and business to genocide christians

https://www.youtube.com/c/ZionistReport/videos
Watch all the videos on this channel. Most are 1 minute long. Educate yourself instead of being a cuck for jews

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T08:08:33+00:00

Ethnic identity has nothing to do with fascism

You are literally clueless about this subject. Fascism is a response to jewish bolshevism. It started after the jewish revolution in Russia and the jewish revolution in Germany. Millions of people were slaughtered and fascists all over Europe didn't want that to happen to their nations so fascism became the REACTION to the problem.

Antifa was started by jews because fascists were opposed to JEWS murdering millions of christians

Alienhunter · 2022-09-30T07:42:01+00:00

Trump getting COVID was kinda funny watching him look like shit obviously struggling to stand trying to be like "I'm totally fine guys, I don't feel sick" but that's just the irony of it. The celebration of his "impending death" was very much in poor taste.

Unfortunately this is just all too common in our culture now. I lose a lot of respect for people when they do it, especially when they get mad with people do it to people they like.

Usually fun to save their quotes and call them hippocrates then but that does put you in the cross hairs of their wrath so you'd better have a squeaky clean social media history if you're gonna do that.

GeorgeCarlin · 2022-09-30T07:28:00+00:00

Like googol recently. They tombstoned half their R&D division.

If shareholders are unhappy, he's got to sack parts of the army of wage-slaves doing his bidding.

Looking at real problems is only seldom worth a sideline in economics, though.

Even when it is quite obvious that rotten fish like these start stinking from their head.

Pis-dur · 2022-09-30T07:11:53+00:00

Could you precise which exact antifa you are talking about? Cause I know many antifa groups, and actually I identify as an antifascist, and we do many good things together. Antifa that I know is fighting for workers rights, animal rights, fighting corporate greed and nationalism, fighting for human rights and for equality. I don't think it's as evil as you picture it.

Zombeh · 2022-09-30T06:32:14+00:00

I appreciate the context 👍 kudos brother Chip

Canbot · 2022-09-30T06:24:52+00:00

Fascists are oligarchs that combine the power of government and business to control the proletariat. There is nothing communist about that. Though I'm sure they would use communist propaganda to manipulate people, what they are is fascists.

Canbot · 2022-09-30T06:21:40+00:00

No, fascists fought jews and communists. Antifa are jews and communists, not fascists.

Ethnic identity has nothing to do with fascism. That you think being Jewish means you can't be fascist is just sad.

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T06:14:04+00:00

No, antifas are communists and jews. The group was started by jews and it is still ran by jews today.

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T06:12:56+00:00

Just look at the history of the 3 guys Rittenhouse shot

They were also jews.

Therefore they should be considered fascists.

No, fascists fought jews and communists. Antifa are jews and communists, not fascists.

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T06:06:47+00:00

Antifas are communists and jews. They were started by jews and they are still run by jews.
They do the bidding of Google (owned by jews), Facebook (owned by jews), Twitter (owned by jews), mainstream media (owned by jews) and the government (33% jews in Bidens cabinet)

Retarded conservatives call antifas fascists instead of communists or jews. Fascists fought the communists.

Dragonerne · 2022-09-30T06:04:19+00:00

Groom more kids

Chipit · 2022-09-30T05:58:03+00:00

Nope, it's real. For example, thinking that there are two equal sides to the Hunter Biden laptop story. There aren't. The laptop is real, the emails are real, and the censorship of the story was a crime.

Zombeh · 2022-09-30T05:50:39+00:00

Is this a thing or did you make it up 🤔

Chipit · 2022-09-30T05:49:10+00:00

Nope, it is wealthy and powerful. Obama lives there.
The citizens should have backed up their words with deeds and opened their hearts and houses, just like Texans did for Hurricane Katrina refugees.
Bzzt wrong. Voluntarily open their houses and hearts.
They deported them out of Martha's Vineyard to a military base. They should have backed up their words with action and made room for them.
The residents of Martha's Vineyard are the powerful ones. Floridians and the rest of America are the little guy.
They're giving outside of their homes. Let's see them let these migrants live among them, as they require the rest of us to do.
I never said that, you invented it.
That powerful people are hypocrites and wish for the death of people they hate is hardly anything new, in fact it's exactly what we expect from them.

Stop defending the powerful. Just stop.

Chipit · 2022-09-30T05:45:57+00:00

Sure there are. There was an article just yesterday how Germany is funding an army of paid posters. They exist, yes. They're pretty easy to spot, too. Just look for people who jump out and defend the interests of the powerful in society. Because who else would do that? Nobody. Unless you're being paid, absolutely nobody takes the side of elites.

Chipit · 2022-09-30T05:44:35+00:00

Remember when Trump got Covid and they were all cheering for him to die?

Chipit · 2022-09-30T05:44:03+00:00

This is bothsidesism.

Chipit · 2022-09-30T05:38:51+00:00

You know, after all the genuine paid posters on this site, it's actually kind of quaint to get called shill by Jesus again. Remember back in the old days, back before the invasion?

FuckYourMom · 2022-09-30T05:13:52+00:00

Pretty sure the lizards are allready here.

Alienhunter · 2022-09-30T04:10:23+00:00

I didn't see anything about them in the list. Disappointment. I wanted to find out how everyone was going to turn into lizards like that spiderman movie.

DirewolfGhost · 2022-09-30T04:05:10+00:00

Even Jesus asked on the cross in wonder why his god had forsaken him. Its a natural response to impending death.

Bridgeheadprod · 2022-09-30T03:50:23+00:00

I’m probably more on the side of the Desantis’ of the world. I just think it’s worth reflecting on the way they have us so opposed to each other. All it takes is one asshole on either side to do or say anything, and we boil down entire populations who share some of the ideologies, lump them all together, and claim they are the baddies. It goes both ways. It’s done to both sides and by both sides, as much as anyone can claim that an individual represent an entire ideology.

Canbot · 2022-09-30T03:22:01+00:00

Antifa don't. That's not thier MO. It's a slogan they hide behind. There may be some useful idiots who bought the propaganda and join in on the terrorism based on that, but if a mob says "we are going to kill a child rapist" and a few fools join in knowing nothing about it and they go kill an innocent man, are they murderers or vigilantes? I say they are murderers despite what their intentions were. Why should they be seen as anything else simply because they are too stupid to think for themselves? Why should the oligarchs have a pool of stupid people to use as weapons against thier adversaries and no one can even hold those weapons accountable because they pleade ignorance? Fuck that noise.

Antifa act according to the direction of fascists. Therefore they should be considered fascists. Even if in thier stupid heads they are anti fascist.

And there is no way to distinguish the useful idiots from the bullshitters who know full well what they are doing, and hide behind the plausible deniability.

Just look at the history of the 3 guys Rittenhouse shot. All of them despicable. A 5 time child rapist, released early and what a shocker he becomes a thug for group that gets marching orders from fascists and protection under them.

FuckYourMom · 2022-09-30T03:15:45+00:00

TLDR. Can you tell me about the reptilians?

Jesus · 2022-09-30T02:01:36+00:00

I like the divide and conquer headline shill.

FuckYourMom · 2022-09-30T01:47:17+00:00

This does not seem good.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T01:42:19+00:00

Martha's vineyard is literally a sanctuary city

You can't honestly be telling me it's acceptable to respond to municipal politics you don't agree with, by dumping humans at an airport for community groups to deal with.

So my mayor doesn't like some Arizona commissioner's politics on XYZ. Are you excusing the firing of human refugee weapons at his county as a suitable method of dealing with it?

This stunt is related to the larger issue of immigration.

Refugees can travel freely and work anywhere in America. They are not a regional burden or a red state burden, they are a human resource

Well now you are bringing up a whole other economic issue. This kind of low skill labor influx tends to hurt lower class workers

Are you kidding me. Have you left the house in the past 2 years? Have you been to literally any town or city in America since 2019? Do you think it's hard to get a "low skill labor" job right now? There are "help wanted" signs everywhere

So youd agree that DC calling a state of emergency over 150 migrants was unjustified too?

Well, what the hell do you know about it? They need to mobilise DC responders and housing support staff and someone to check the incoming flights for more victims and health response and so on. How do you know whether that's a "code yellow" or a "status three" or "a procedural emergency scenario"? Nobody could tell what the appropriate response should be with so little information

Pis-dur · 2022-09-30T01:41:06+00:00

Disgusting.

Pis-dur · 2022-09-30T01:40:44+00:00

Everybody opposing fascism is antifascist. Me and you and many more. That's the definition in the dictionary. It's not a reptilian group. It's, simply, people who oppose fascism.

Alienhunter · 2022-09-30T01:27:16+00:00

Never underestimate people's willingness to forgo basic human decency in favor of partisan ego masturbation.

HongKongPhooey · 2022-09-30T01:10:45+00:00

There's a few faulty premises. The community groups and churches who fed and housed the refugees who had dumped at the airport - what's the association with the left? Why do you think those people have advocated to abolish ICE?

Martha's vineyard is literally a sanctuary city. I didnt say they want to abolish ICE, I said they want to refuse to enforce immigration laws, and I said abolishing ICE was one example of a common idea on the left about how to handle immigration that I don't think addresses the problem

Another faulty premise is that this stunt was connected to ICE or border law in any way - they were refugees and asylees, it's not a statement about ICE. If anything it would be a statement about the international convention on refugees?

This stunt is related to the larger issue of immigration. Whether they have applied for asylum or crossed illegally wasn't really the center of the issue, they want more action to address immigration on the southern border, and this was a stunt to call attention to it. That 2 million crossers number I cited was from a NYT article talking about this, so even they realize what this stunt was about.

Another faulty premise is that Texas and the border states have to bare the cost of what is actually a federal burden...or that border states don't benefit from all the people moving to it for work - whether as a refugee or from anywhere.

Well now you are bringing up a whole other economic issue. This kind of low skill labor influx tends to hurt lower class workers and benefit the capital owners that hire them. You may be able to measure a gain in GDP, but this isn't as clear cut of a 'benefit' as you make it out to be.

What is this "state of the border" which we're suffering so much under to excuse what happened to those poor people.

I'm not saying using these people as props fora a stunt was justified, I'm saying they are justified in calling immigration a real problem

I live in Texas. I can tell you that there is no emergency here.

So youd agree that DC calling a state of emergency over 150 migrants was unjustified too?

Alienhunter · 2022-09-30T01:05:16+00:00

Antifa are the useful idiots of our era. Rile up a bunch of young people with extremist ideologies. Goad the most stupid and impressionable ones that are of little to to society anyway into comitting crimes and terroristic activity, then use them as justification to ramp up surveillance and central authority as the common folk welcome in the increased lack of privacy and expansion and further militarization of civilian police forces, then charge the antifa types and incarcerate them when they cease to serve a political purpose and become problematic.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T00:59:31+00:00

There's a few faulty premises. The community groups and churches who fed and housed the refugees who had dumped at the airport - what's the association with the left? Why do you think those people have advocated to abolish ICE?

Another faulty premise is that this stunt was connected to ICE or border law in any way - they were refugees and asylees, it's not a statement about ICE. If anything it would be a statement about the international convention on refugees?

Another faulty premise is that Texas and the border states have to bare the cost of what is actually a federal burden...or that border states don't benefit from all the people moving to it for work - whether as a refugee or from anywhere.

I live in Texas. I can tell you that there is no emergency here. What is this "state of the border" which we're suffering so much under to excuse what happened to those poor people.

Alienhunter · 2022-09-30T00:55:06+00:00

They failed to deflect the hurricane though.

HongKongPhooey · 2022-09-30T00:43:06+00:00

Because right here in the storyline, you'd like everyone to open up their houses indefinitely and for that to be the permanent plan. In fact, you'd consider it hypocrisy for them NOT to indefinitely open their doors forever to families with complicated statuses.

After all! You insist. After all! Everyone in Texas has to permanently shelter refugees in their homes. Every Texan has a refugee in their back room, forever.

I don't think you are understanding my position here. It is obviously unreasonable to expect the people to house them in their homes. I don't blame them for shipping them out, I blame them for shipping them out while at the same time espousing ignoring immigration laws

What I am saying is I want my own side to acknowledge that there is a real immigration problem, and abolishing ICE or refusing to enforce immigration laws isn't a solution to it.

I don't want anywhere to be like Texas, that isn't at all what I'm saying. I'm not a republican, but they do have a point about the failure of the left to address the immigration issue in any meaningful way, and I can see why people who live their might be upset at the state of the border

I understand now and think you also qualify as retarded just like chipit

Seriously? Just disagreeing with you warrants insults and name calling? And not even over anything I said, but words you put in my mouth. I was quite civil in my attempt to discuss the issues. It's you who are acting like Chipit. I honestly thought you were better than this, or I wouldn't have bothered attempting to discuss anything with you. You can add me to the long list of people who don't want to engage with you.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-30T00:21:46+00:00

Ok here is the real world timeline we live in. Follow along the timeline with me

Refugees arrive to America who are fleeing violence, and they are allowed to enter legally under the law as legal immigrants
Someone hands out leaflets offering a job and house in Boston, talks about how nice Boston is, and walks over to refugee women with children to push the leaflet and ask if they want a free flight
The women and children board their flight and arrive, but it's not the big city, and instead of anyone waiting for them, it's just the right-wing press. It was a trick, they were trafficked, welcome to Martha's Vineyard folks
The MV residents discover via the right-wing press that these people have been dumped nearby and provide temporary food, shelter, clothing, toiletries, baby and feminine supplies, and so on.
Because these are refugees they don't have driver's licenses or bank accounts or credit cards or English language skills or jobs lined up or family nearby or much idea of their rights, nor do they have dinner plans or a place to stay tonight.
With the emergency dealt with, thanks to the generous churches and community groups, it's now time to come up with permanent plans for the trafficked group

Here's where history diverges.

Because right here in the storyline, you'd like everyone to open up their houses indefinitely and for that to be the permanent plan. In fact, you'd consider it hypocrisy for them NOT to indefinitely open their doors forever to families with complicated statuses.

After all! You insist. After all! Everyone in Texas has to permanently shelter refugees in their homes. Every Texan has a refugee in their back room, forever.

In the real world storyline, they got housed in a public facility with a bunch of sleeping areas, and the refugees got lawyers and representations and it's going to be okay for them. But you're really mad that history turned out this way. You wanted it to be like Texas, where everyone has a migrant in their home forever. I understand now and think you also qualify as retarded just like chipit

monkeymagic · 2022-09-29T23:55:36+00:00

you actually believe that there are ppl who are paid to post here? god damn that’s funny.

HongKongPhooey · 2022-09-29T23:48:46+00:00

Yes, Chipit suffers from crippling retardation, but I think there is a point to be made here that he is struggling to express.

Martha's vineyard did charitably feed those refugees, but they removed all of them in less than 24 hours.

You have a very wealthy enclave that literally has a policy in place to ignore immigration laws, and promotes open border policies, but when just 50 people end up in their community, they did the same thing that Texas and Florida did, they shipped them out and claimed they couldn't support them in their community.

The liberal coastal elites have very unrealistic head-in-the-sand ideas about immigration, often in areas they don't have to deal with any of the consequences of it, and this political ploy successfully exposed how hollow that rhetoric is. More than 2 million people have crossed the southern border just this year, just the ones that have been counted, and the burden of this all falls in one region of the country, while the other regions criticize them for trying to address it, but declare emergencies over 50 migrants in Marthas Vineyard, or 150 migrants in Washington DC, a city of millions. If these are 'emergencies' then what would you call the situation in border cities in Texas that are literally flooding with illegal immigrants?

Now I do think this immigration problem is largely the results of 40 years of drug wars, coups, embargos and other destabilization tactics by our government, but this is still a real problem affecting Americans and it is foolish to ignore it. Biden railed against the inhumanity of Trumps border policy, while largely leaving it unchanged while entering office, we clearly need comprehensive reform on this issue, and while I consider myself a liberal, the left does not have an answer for this problem

IkeConn · 2022-09-29T23:43:53+00:00

Yea? Well now Florida has an excuse to ship illegals north "out of harm's way".

In-the-clouds · 2022-09-29T23:41:39+00:00

I am disappointed by the lack of reporting, even here on Saidit. Covering hurricane damage must not be profitable for shills.

What place does the Lord God have in these storms?

Zechariah 9:14 And the LORD shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the LORD God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.

doginventer · 2022-09-29T23:17:30+00:00

HURRICANE IAN: The Buried Back Story | SOTN: Alternative News, Analysis & Commentary https://stateofthenation.co/?p=136857

Canbot · 2022-09-29T23:05:51+00:00

This is unfortunately an extremely rare exception and does not disprove the rule. We have yet to see how they are charged and what the fallout for other domestic terrorists will be.

Canbot · 2022-09-29T23:01:50+00:00

Antifa are not against fascism. They are literally gustapo working for fascists. The proof is in the fact that they are fully supported by government and all the elite controlled establishments: Google, Facebook, Twitter, mainstream media, etc.

iamonlyoneman · 2022-09-29T22:59:53+00:00

Deflection

Cope

Canbot · 2022-09-29T22:58:06+00:00

Antifa are establishment goons. The only way to get justice is to deliver it personally to Antifa.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-29T22:36:43+00:00

Alright so let's see.

It's not about violence, it's about class oppression.

So because chipit posted a saidit of a twitter of a post to a facebook group, you've determined this is a class issue, and the reference to guillotines is actually about the totally peaceful ways in which class issues get resolved.

You've decided that the facebook user is oppressing your class by posting about hurricane Ian on Facebook. Fortunately you were able to determine their class status from the image macro they posted to a facebook group which someone tweeted which chipit added to saidit.

Thanks for clearing that up

jet199 · 2022-09-29T21:48:30+00:00

Ah yes, a guillotine reference is all to do with threatening violence and nothing to do with class oppression.

Well done rubbing those brain cells together.

If only your brain collected cultural touchstones like it collects the ivory tower talking points of the chattering glasses.

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-29T20:37:32+00:00

Weird I thought all the prosecutors were Soros appointed and weren't allowed by their ideology to prosecute violence from the left? Someone must have lied to me about that

Site_rly_sux · 2022-09-29T19:54:17+00:00

Chipit you are fully retarded I'm sorry to say.

The region is no more wealthy than Florida
Governments house refugees not citizens
You are arguing against the 3rd amendment
You again replied to me that they were "deported" hours after we established that no, they weren't, that's simply not what deportation means
You keep telling me that state governor de Santis is the little guy and the trafficked refugees are the powerful ones
You refuse to acknowledge the links I gave you show the residents charitably feeding and housing the trafficking victims
You've lied that you tracked down the original Facebook user and discovered that they "preach tolerance and open-mindedness all the time" which is a straight up lie
The chain of evidence linking the tweet which you found, to the actual relevant people you're blaming is incredibly shakey

Fully, fully retarded. Sorry to break it to you

rubberbiscuit · 2022-09-29T19:48:42+00:00

That's a bad example of karma. A better example of karma would be a really bad hurricane hits Florida, which escapes mainly unscathed, then regains incredible power and completely destroys the entire island of Martha's Vineyard. And it probably would be named Hurricane Martha.

Zombeh · 2022-09-29T19:42:36+00:00

I disagree. 🤌

Chipit · 2022-09-29T19:39:06+00:00

Right, which is why Martha's Vineyard is the natural home for these migrants. The residents love migrants, and the migrants will benefit from them sharing their vast wealth.

Chipit · 2022-09-29T19:38:17+00:00

They're in a better place. Martha's Vineyard is a wealthy community that can easily support hundreds of thousands more of these people.

Chipit · 2022-09-29T19:37:35+00:00

They deported the immigrants immediately.

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