To end gun violence we should abandon the War on Drugs

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[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Not really. Maybe less killing from guns, but homicides might stay the same. Start with the basics. Where does all the gun violence come from. Metropolitian areas with a population greater than 100,000. Now specifically where in these regions? Usually in poor neighborhoods with a large african american population. What causes people to commit violence with GUNS, Drugs. Drug violence, poor education, and POVERTY.

If you were to take away all the inner cities, the US would have a homicide rate from guns and violent crime rate near baltic levels. Rurals areas, like in Vermont, who also have high guns per capita have VERY LOW gun crime. Plus since 1994 -2013, violent crime has decreased 54% and gun homicides 47% as per FBI statistics.

Most of the current stats are do to the legalization of PSYOPS in 2012.

its that simple, fix wealth inequality, education, poverty and drug violence and you fix homicides and violent crime.

But politicans want to focus on mental illness which is so stupid considering over 50% of the population will be diagnosed with some sort of mental illness in their lifetime, liek anxiety, which SHOULD NOT prevent you from owning a gun. Why? Because study after study show that there is no correlation between mental illness and gun violence. In fact the general popualtion has a higher porpensity to commit a gun crime.

Now, MEN and drug usage and gun crime, there's a correlation there. But politicians don't focus on these areas, why?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

No guns less killing simple in its reality. Violence will happen yes but not at the end of a gun. Politicians are who we say they are. Me I'm just fine with regulating the militia. You don't like that then move to nobody but has laws fuck up as us get the point. Your insistence that people with guns are not to be feared childish and you know this. The gun is the issue. I will add this you have had 200+ years to take over our government. You have failed. I blame you. Fix the real issue that is guns. Nothing you say makes a bit of sense unless you address guns loose in America. As a right. The law is an ass. My friend I can't explain what you seek neither can you. Drugs have nothing to do with guns nor do people it is the gun making all this possible.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also, why are you putting words in my mouth. And you seem very angry. Guns have been a staple in america sunce its incetion. We have banned assault rifles. As human beings we do not advocate for the state to control how we protect ourselves, for the state is the most murderous of all murderers.

The gun is a tool, but the person behind it pulls the trigger. It's that simple. The solution isn't banning guns but ending psyops and researching where crime from guns is most prevelant. I gave you the answer and the reasons are obvious. Wealth Inequality, poverty, drug violence, substance abuse and poor education. These issues are what breed violence, fix them and you'll fix crimes commited with a gun. Like I've said rural areas with high guns per capita, like areas in vermont have very low gun crime. So, low, it is a non-issue.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No guns no gun deaths seems simple to me? But still you think there is some sort of nuance to my statement. I am making my views in my declaration. Don't care about this over complicated view because of my first statement. Keep all the weapons you want just keep and use them at the armory. Except hunting. At the very least we need a census of weapons loose in America. Then we can talk we can fix this if you should get your head right and regulate the need for guns in the first place. Remember we didn't let woman vote or blacks in America either. I know this is changing with each killing while others pray away answers the NRA don't like. Vote them out.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not at the end of a gun? So, like I said, less guns does not always mean leas homicides. And how about the millions of responsible people with guns? I have given you the specific problems that gun-control advocates and pro-gun pro-security apparatus advocates fail to address. From there you'll find thr solutions on how to keep guns and reduce gun crime which has decreased exponentially aince 1994.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Again my goal is no guns on the streets. No guns means no gun deaths. Not crime. We can deal with crime just look around all those police need a new job. The whole premise of the second was to check government. You failed at that experiment. Therefore the law is an ass. Nibleing around the edges has got us 30k dead this year dead because they owned or felt they had to shoot a guy because he had a gun to begin with. Not logically honest. Solves nothing and hurts thousands. Not good government by any matrix. The laws is the ass here it's simple.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay, great. So we agree to disagree. But no guns allowed does not = no guns. A black market will emerge and many criminals in inner cities will still obtain guns of all kinds. As for law abiding citizens who are reaponsible gun owners, do you suppose we take guns away from them, even inrural areas with gun crime near Baltic levels?

The whole premise of the second was to check government.

The 2nd is part of the co stitution but common law and God's law means us as humans have a right to own any weapon. So, as I've stated, responsible gun owners will hold onto their guns.

You failed at that experiment.

No we didn't and surely if the US did impose martial law, and tried to ban all guns, gun owners would defend their rights as human beings.

Therefore the law is an ass.

It is, but your views are too.

Nibbling around the edges has got us 30k dead this year.

Most are suicides. The gun isn't the reason, for if it was no suicides would occur. Men commit the most suicides because many are disenfranchised, impoverished, have infections are in serious debt and have no way out.

BAN PSYOPS, an YOU FIX mass shootings.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

No guns no gun deaths. The fact is undeniable you won't admitt I'm right, but we know we are. When you get it then you to can say the same.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're literally spewing a straman. Yes, the TOTAL erradication of guns everywhere = no gun deaths. But that is not going to happen. Sorry. Guns are a staple in the US and its culture in well ingrained in rural america, a lot of places where gun crime is much lower than places where guns are not allowed. What do you propose a mandatory buy back? Or government coming breaking and entering law abiding citizens homes to confiscate all guns?

There never will be NO GUNS, not in the US where gun culture is unlike any other gun culture in the world. Sorry, but again, no guns allowed does not = no gun deaths, and no guns allowed does not = a reduction in homicides or violent crime.

As guns per capita has climbed in the US, gun crime and gun homicides has declined significantly since 1994. The rest of the big mass shootings are merely media PSYOPS, and same with the recent texas one used to push legislation through which would aloow citizens to carry in places of worship. Both sides produce PSYOPs on the reg to control public perception.

If you don't want guns, don't purchase one and don't have anyone you know purchase one. The responsible gun owners will keep their guns. As for the inner city gun violence, that stems from the purchase of guns illegaly, drug violence and substance abuse, poverty and poor education/gang violence.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think you miss my point. Register what you got store them and use them in an armory and range keep it if you got it. Staw my ass. You can't tell me how many guns are on the streets. I want to know. That's regulated. Barring that? Then all guns have to go. Laws are ment to be amended it is our right to do that?. Numbers and facts just not on your side neither is time. Because the fact is, no guns no gun deaths. That is exactly what I want to say. And will say it with out your stupid strawman. You know you love the gun laws admit this it gives you cover with out accountability. And 30k + gun deaths in America just this year demand your accountability. Just saying you got nothing cant win forever or used your gun for any good in my eyes. We still have a government you failed at your only job. The part l liked about the second you had over two hundred years by know it's time to modified the right you think is permanent lol funny 😂 we are not fighting England and we are not fighting government at all. The law is the ass.