Humans are biologically vegan, huh? You were saying...?

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[–]smart_jackal 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Natural evolution isn't always 100% right otherwise we would be living in a paradise of immortality with no diseases, aging or ill health? Unlike his animal kingdom brethren, human is a sentient being who can think and reflect, who knows what pain and suffering is.

If indeed there is such a thing as a supreme or divine power controlling this universe, it will forgive lions or wolves for slaying other living beings but certainly not humans.

[–]jet199 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You are assuming your cultural morality towards life, death and suffering is the correct one. Cultural imperialism.

There are many cultures where death is not some great fear, a person's life is not something they cling on to over and above everything else or killing the worst crime. In many cultures suffering is seen as strengthening or purifying.

Of course you can't apply that to predators (weasely saying you forgive them, very big of you) because really you know they wouldn't understand your mindset at all even if they could speak to you about it.

[–]Ergu 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay but can we agree no more munching bats?

[–]Sumkindafing 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You are talking for science in one sentence, then god in the next.

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    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    While much of that may be true it doesn't get factory farming off the hook for they care not about suffering.

    [–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Immortality is not a good evolutionary trait. Even if you combine it with no diseases, aging or ill health, then what happens once the environment changes? What happens when new disaeses 1 million years later comes by? Suddenly you're not very adaptable to the new environments.

    The advantage of having short life times is that you can adapt to changing environments quicker.

    [–]proc0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    What if we eat lions? Everyone wins?

    [–]ctvzbuxr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You are correct. Humans can do these things. Animals can not. Just like a criminal is not protected from the law, just like a thief is not protected by property rights, an animal is not protected by morality, because it can not act morally. In order to do that you need the intelligence to conceptualize eithics, which animals lack.
    Yes, animals can still suffer. But aversion to suffering is a subjective preference. Personally, even though I prefer that animals are treated well and not abused, I don't care if an animal has to die or suffer so I can eat it. I care about humans in a different way specifically BECAUSE we are different from animals and are capable of acting morally. I don't care about the rights of amoral creatues (human or otherwise), because they don't care about my rights either.

    [–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Just like a criminal is not protected from the law

    See: booby trap laws.