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[–]Zoomer1212 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (38 children)

So what? There is one Jewish homeland and over 20 Arab ones. Arabs living in Israel should move to Jordan (literally the actual "Palestinian" state) if they hate Jews so much. In Arab/Middle Eastern history there has never been such thing as "Palestine". More like "Southern Syria". It's a western invention that has been now taken up by the Arabs to justify a victimization narrative. Repeat with me: "Palestinians" do not exist.

[–]Chipit[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (34 children)

Repeat with me: "Palestinians" do not exist.

That's a nice genocidal narrative you have there.

While it is incorrect to refer to any political system as "Apartheid" other than the historical South African policy, it is also indisputable that the laws of Israel are specifically designed to ensure that the nation of Israel is dominated politically, socially, and economically by the nation's Jewish population, as per the Basic Law's assertion that the Jewish people have the unique claim to national self-determination in the State of Israel. While technically incorrect, apartheid is a perfectly reasonable way to describe these policies at a rhetorical level.

[–]bjam27 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Palestinians didn't exist as a "people" until the 1950s when Jordan kicked them out for trying to overthrow the country just like they did in Kuwait and Lebanon and every other country the parasites have spread too.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Secret Israeli Document Reveals Plan to Keep Arabs Off Their Lands

A document unsealed after 60 years reveals the Israeli government’s secret intentions behind the imposition of a military government on the country’s Arab citizens in 1948: not to enhance security but to ensure Jewish control of the land

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-secret-israeli-document-reveals-plan-to-keep-arabs-off-their-lands-1.8473226

[–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

"Secret documents"... If they're secret then HOW DID YOU FIND THEM?

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

A document unsealed after 60 years

It's right there in the comment.

You've got nothing. Israel is an apartheid state. Anti-miscegenation proponents are the worst. Brazen ethnosupremacists.

Hey Diddle Diddle. Time for a Riddle. Who advocates for racemixing yet doesn't allow it themselves?

[–]Pononimus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Mark Twain said it best: "No amount of evidence will convince an idiot." Thanks for proving his wisdom and your own idiocy.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Please present evidence that Israel does not practice apartheid and did not ethnically cleanse the land they occupy.

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    [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Such an obvious alt account. Still zero arguments.

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      [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You're not even bothering to make arguments any more. These are just insults, in direct violation of site TOS: Pyramid of Debate.

      [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Funny, did you believe that last year when NO ONE WAS SAYING THAT ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE or were you running around spouting ORANGE MAN BAD just like every other mindless drone was doing last year? And what thing will you be spouting next year right along with all of the other mindless drones?

      [–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Plenty of people were saying it.

      You haven't offered any evidence that it isn't.

      In fact, Israeli ultranationalists in private conversations even welcome the comparison to Apartheid, because they think Apartheid was gentler than what modern Israel has achieved. Under Apartheid, the black South Africans could travel to white-controlled zones for work. Under the Israeli program the Palestinians languish behind 35-foot-tall concrete walls in what are little more than open air prisons with the Israelis controlling Palestinian access to power, food and water. As the thinking goes, who cares if this radicalizes the Palestinians if they are radicalized on the other side of a wall.

      [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Actually, if you look at my (tediously - kek) long post you can read about the origins of the modern Palestinians when EGYPTIAN Yasser Arafat co-founded Fatah for the sole purpose of utterly destroying Israel and all Jews.

      [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

      Considering that all Muslim Arabs and Middle Easterners seek to destroy Israel and all Israelis, this is only reasonable and correct and is really no different than the enforcement of our own US Constitution, the intent of which is the protection, defense and preservation of our Civil and Constitutional rights. In both cases they are for the preservation of the two nations and its people and, without which, both would be utterly destroyed by those who seek to do just that. (don't forget that Yasser Arafat helped to found Fatah solely for the sake of utterly destroying Israel and claiming the land as a Palestinian homeland.

      [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

      One day, for no reason at all, Yasser Arafat did that? Why?

      I think it was because Jews ethnically cleansed his people off the land they had lived on for thousands of years. You know Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing, right?

      "The New York Times has often dismissed as unthinkable the prospect of Palestinian refugees exercising their right, under international law, to return to the homes from which they were driven or fled on what is now Israeli-controlled territory. The "refugees number in the millions, and their return," explained David M. Halbfinger in a 2018 article, "would probably spell the end of Israel as a Jewish state." In other words, Palestinians cannot be repatriated otherwise the ethnic character of Israel as a Jewish state will be undermined.

      This is not unlike justifying an immigration policy that bars the entry of non-whites into the United States on the grounds that the influx of millions of dark-skinned people would threaten the United States as a white state, or bars Muslims in order to preserve ‘the Christian character’ of the country. Such a policy would be recognized as racist in the US or Canadian contexts, so why would the parallel policy in the Israeli context not be branded as racist as well?"

      https://gowans.blog/2019/09/20/israeli-election-makes-it-difficult-to-deny-the-character-of-israel-as-a-racist-state/

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        [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yeah, that's pretty typical: calling people nazis when you can't come up with any evidence to refute the statement.

        [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

        Oh wow! Look at that! You "proved" your point by posting the PERSONAL OPINION of some unknown guy who says that Israel is an apartheid state full of horrible bigots and brutal racists. GASP! I am so impressed!

        Nah, I'm not. The simple truth is that you've been programmed your entire life to "learn" things in one certain way (which is actually indoctrination) and that, to you, the only important thing is that YOU MUST ACCEPT AS TRUE WHATEVER POPULAR OPINION SAYS IS TRUE, REGARDLESS IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT. So, everyone says that "Israel is a hateful, despicable apartheid state" so you jump on the bandwagon with them screaming the same thing for nothing more than the sake of "fitting in." You know what that makes you? It makes you a real, literal NAZI!, no different than the Brown Shirts of the 1930s who went about smashing windows of Jewish shops, assaulting and beating people. Sound familiar? Does it sound like Antifa rioting in the streets smashing shop windows? Does it sound like people mindlessly assaulting and beating Conservatives and Republicans and anyone else you don't agree with? Okay, honestly, I don't expect you to believe, much less read, all of this. You're too accustomed to getting all of your input in 30 second sound bites. That's sad because you have no idea of the horrible, destructive thing you're part of, much less of what you're missing out on by not being a thinking, logical, independent, self sufficient person and not just another mindless grain of sand on a vast beach of mindless humanity.

        [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

        everyone says that "Israel is a hateful, despicable apartheid state" so you jump on the bandwagon with them screaming the same thing for nothing more than the sake of "fitting in."

        There are few places in the world where governments construct a web of nationality and residency laws designed for use by one section of the population against another. Apartheid South Africa was one. So is Israel.

        The laws of Israel are specifically designed to ensure that the nation of Israel is dominated politically, socially, and economically by the nation's Jewish population, as per the Basic Law's assertion that the Jewish people have the unique claim to national self-determination in the State of Israel. Apartheid is a perfectly reasonable way to describe these policies at a rhetorical level.

        [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Blah blah blah blah blah blah Apartheid Israel blah blah blah blah blah blah. Do you even know what Apartheid is? (Beyond the false Marxist definition, I mean? Also were you even alive when Apartheid in South Africa was ended? Had you been born yet? I wonder.

        It's funny because I see a lot of very profound bullshit being thrown around about things that happened or seemed to exist by young people who weren't even alive when those things happened so how could they (or you) know the truth about any of it? I have to wonder. Still, it's like Joseph Goebbels said; "if you repeat a lie to enough people for long enough it will eventually become the truth." I know I'm making perfect sense about everything I'm posting. I know my life experiences and the things I know to be true are profoundly valid no matter what anyone else says but, just like the drunk driver who won't give up his keys no matter how anyone tries to get him to give them up and he ends up driving himself to his death, you will not listen for any reason ever because "you know you're right" even when the truth is that everything you know is wrong.

        [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        Am I talking to a procedurally generated script? I am, aren't I?

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        It's inevitable we're all fucked

        [–]Pononimus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        The only comment in this thread that's actually honest and makes sense.

        [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I don't know how long this site's been around but, if you've been here for a while, I think it would be interesting to read through your old posts and see just when you started calling Israel an "apartheid state". Was that before or after the MSM and your Leftist friends told you to?

        [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

        I looked through quite a few of your posts and found absolutely nothing having to do with "Israel Apartheid" before a month ago, which is about the time that the MSM and many Leftists began spouting that lie so, from what I've seen, you're just a mindless, neutered little sheep following the wrong crowd for no other sake than to be edgy because stupid people think being edgy is cool. So, if I saw you on the street should I expect you to be dressed in black, wearing a trench coat and a fedora? Probably.

        [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

        You still have not refuted the point. I must conclude you have no evidence.

        Israel is an apartheid state. May it meet the same fate as apartheid South Africa. Have a nice day.

        [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Propaganda isn't meant to be "refuted", it's meant to be exposed and destroyed. But, then, since you've been spouting this particular propaganda for about a month, now, you won't change your mind until your Leftist overlords tell you to start spreading some other political virus.

        [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        That WASN'T THE POINT I was trying to make in my last post. My POINT is that you didn't say anything about the alleged "apartheid Israel" prior to a month ago, WHEN THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA STARTED PUTTING IT OUT. So, what that tells me is that YOU REALLY DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE POSTING but that you're just PARROTING WHATEVER THE MAINSTREAM SAYS. It's important to keep in mind that CORPORATE NEWS IS NOT JOURNALISM NOR IS IT REAL NEWS. IT'S A BUSINESS which has a singular goal: to make money for its investors and it will do that by any means necessary and, as I've seen decade after decade, THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS THE FIRST CASUALTY IN BOTH WAR AND PROPAGANDA and you're part of that. Now I'm sure you consider yourself to be some kind of "revolutionary" in a war against the establishment but the truth is that YOU ARE A SHILL FOR A ROTTING ESTABLISHMENT SYSTEM that has never worked anywhere that it's been tried. So, to be clear, I'm not talking about the United States Government but COMMUNISM / SOCIALISM, which has invariably failed wherever it has been tried. This includes the National Socialist People's Workers Party (NSDAP), otherwise known as the Nazis, which were not right wing but very Left wing and Leftist in both their tactics and their politics, not to mention the brutality with which they treated those who opposed them.) So, yeah, you're only helping to prop up and support what is essentially a political corpse while thinking you're some kind of "revolutionary hero." You're not. You're just a deluded shill who won't realize what you've done until it's too late and you find yourself pinned to the ground with a Chinese jack boot pressed against your neck and a rifle barrel pressed against your head.

        [–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        Wow, I've met some kooks on Saidit before, but damn. I thought you were a social media operative for Israel, as they are known to employ, but now I see you're just a raving crazy person. Welcome! Saidit is your natural home.

        [–]FoxySDT 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Completely false

        The term "Palestine" first appeared in the 5th century BC when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories.[6]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_%22Palestine%22

        [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        You, good sir, are exactly right! "Palestinians" really don't exist! They're actually originally nomadic Arabs from the Saudi Peninsula and who, not unlike the Bedouins, roamed the desert regions for thousands of years. About two thousand years ago Rome conquered that region of the world which was then known as Judea, (The land of the Jews) and what the Romans ended up calling "Paelostinius" (wanderers.) Yes, please do take the time to look it up and see that it's correct.

        Something of importance that should be noted: Jews and the Arabs in the surrounding regions never really had a problem with each other and, other than the occasional squabbles over land and possessions, never had a problem with each other and got along fine. It wasn't until the rise of the cult known as Islam around 1400 A.D., that problems arose. Basically, Islam taught - and continues to teach - that all Jews must be wiped from the face of the Earth.

        Even for almost two thousand years following the conquest of Judea and, later, the collapse of the Roman empire, Judea remained the homeland of the Israelites, even up to the beginning of the 20th century.

        It wasn't until after The Great European War (WWI) that the conquering powers began cutting up and dividing the middle east among themselves. The carving up of the Middle East was halted during World War Two. However, large portions of the Arab world gladly sided with the Nazis since the two had a mutual goal of wiping out all Jews. Defeated by the Allies, the Nazis retreated out of the middle east and pulled back their troops in order to defend their homeland against the invasion they knew was coming and couldn't stop.

        After the war the victorious Allied Nations again claimed and carved up large portions of the Middle East for as their war booty. This became especially important to those Western forces when vast amounts of petroleum was discovered in various regions in that part of the world.

        Without going into complicated and tedious details it was about that time that those same Western forces decided that, in light of the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust (which many deny even happened, right along with the moon landings) that the Jews did deserve to get their original homeland back. Note that: "the Jews get their original homeland back."

        Now we jump forward to the 1960s and Yasser Arafat.

        Yasser Arafat ( Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf al-Qudwa al-Husseini August 1929 – 11 November 2004), was born an Egyptian in Cairo, Egypt. There are a large number of unsubstantiated claims that he was born a "Palestinian to Palestinian parents", but that has never been conclusively confirmed.

        Arafat spent most of his youth in Egypt and studied at the University of King Fuad I. It was while he was at university that he learned of and then embraced the anti-Semitic rhetoric of the violently militant Muslim Brotherhood and learned their ways. Through their teachings he became an Arab Nationalist and an anti-Zionist. He fought alongside the Muslim Brotherhood during the 1948 Arab Israeli war which opposed the formation of Israel. He served as president of the General Union of Palestinian Students from 1952 to 1956. In the latter part of the 1950s he co-founded Fatah, a paramilitary organization seeking the removal of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian state. Fatah operated within several Arab countries, from where it launched attacks on Israeli targets.

        Starting in 1969, Arafat, through the Palestine Liberation Organization, orchestrated the first of dozens of aircraft hijackings, the intent of which was to gain world attention for what was then called "plight of the Palestinians." These hijackings often resulted in the planes being taken to and landed in pro- Palestinian countries from which Demands of ransom or the release of Palestinian prisoners of Israel were made with the result that, if the demands weren't met, the crew and passengers would be murdered and, at the very least, the planes destroyed.

        Jumping ahead... Then US President Jimmy Carter managed to successfully set up the Camp David Peace Accords where Yasser Arafat and then Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin would sit down and hash out mutually agreed upon peace accords for both Israel and "Palestine." Even while the two negotiated, Begin doing it in good faith, Arafat secretly arranged yet more suicide bomber attacks on Israel in the cities of Haifa and Jerusalem in Israel, which resulted in the deaths of an estimated five to seven thousand Israeli civilians.

        In the ensuing years, the "Palestinians" have joined forces with various Marxist groups in order to promote and spread propaganda among various Liberal and Leftist groups in the Western world, the intent of which was to turn world opinion against Israel; the ultimate goal being the utter destruction of Israel and the "Palestinians" fully occupying all of Israel's historical homeland and also achieving the Muslim goal of wiping out entirely all Jews in the Middle East.

        Since I lived through and personally witnessed a large portion of these historical events I can, to the best of my ability, verify them as true and correct.

        [–]YORAMRW 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Hey buddy, I was just wondering, what would be your feelings about Palestinians mass-aborting themselves hypotethically? Would you still show the exact amount of "outrage" which you very passionately showed at blacks aborting their offspring in white nations? Should Zionists be held morally culpable for those Palestinian abortions, and also go to hell, just like the dissident right should for black abortions according to you? If not, why? Since you've decided you're gonna take the moral high ground on this issue, it would be quite ironic of you to suddenly completely change your mind as soon as it involves a group of people you hate (Palestinians) instead of a group of people you "love" (to weaponize against whites).