Trump says he’d disregard NATO treaty, urge Russian attacks on U.S. allies

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[–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Reversing decades of cold war policy would be stupid for many reasons.

Maybe NATO shouldn't have violated it's long held agreements about expanding. That is the whole reason for the Ukraine shit. That and the 2014 coup.

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

There's no evidence that NATO wanted Ukraine as a member. None.

It was also essential in 2014 for Ukrainians to expel the Russian puppets from its government. That level of corruption was destroying Ukraine.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Let's not play dumb

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

seems you're playing dumb

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

They were definitely going to nato, and wanted to provoke putin for war profiteering reasons

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The only ones claiming this are in Russia. There is no evidence of this in Ukraine. Russia lost power in the Ukraine government in 2014, and began invasions as a result of that. This is about power and control for Russians, nothing more.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Common sense sorry

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

nope

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Did you think the war started in 2014

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm tired of teaching you history. Please look it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

[–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Ukraine was a country that was 50% of ethnic Kievan Rus (ethnic Russians) prior to 2014. Why forcefully remove the president you democratically elected? Why would the interim government that was installed have the first action to turn the country's military against it's own citizens by labeling them "Russian backed separatists". The country was 50% of Kievan Rus decent prior to 2014, how many now? How did that ethnic cleansing go?

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Seems you want to find an excuse for Putin's invasion of Ukraine, a sovereign country. There is NO excuse for this. None whatsoever.

Your statistics are also wrong, by a large margin. Here are the ethnicity stats for 2014:

Ukrainian 77.8%, Russian 17.3%, Belarusian 0.6%, Moldovan 0.5%, Crimean Tatar 0.5%, Bulgarian 0.4%, Hungarian 0.3%, Romanian 0.3%, Polish 0.3%, Jewish 0.2%, other 1.8%

[–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Seems you find an excuse for ethnic cleansing.

43-50% spoke Russian.. What is a Ukrainian? How many of them have a Kievan Rus ancestry? Kiev is the founding land of all Kievan Rus (Russian) peoples. Kievan Rus is where the Rus in Russia and Belarus comes from. Kiev was the capitol of the Russian empire off and on for almost 900 years.. So technically every Russian could be called a Ukrainian, although that is a new name that did not exist in earlier times. So again, what is a "Ukrainian" but an ethnic Russian?

“the proverbial kinds of falsehoods, ‘lies, damned lies, and statistics.’"-- quote statistically attributed to many different people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Seems you find an excuse for ethnic cleansing.

Did Ukraine invade Russia? (No.) Did Russia invade Ukraine and start a war that could be considered an ethnic cleansing program? (Yes.)

43-50% spoke Russian..

Many in the US speak Spanish (13.2%), but they are American, not Spanish or Mexican. Some of them are Mexican-American.

Many in Ukraine have spoken Russian for decades, before the fall of the USSR. But they're Ukrainian. Ukraine is sovereign. Russia has had no right to invade Ukraine. Ask normal people about this. You're believing lies, on the behalf of Putin. Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

[–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Wiki is editted by government staffers..

Did Ukraine invade Russia?

Did NATO pull off a coup and start shipping in weapons and readying bases on Russia's border? Yes. What if Russia pulled a coup on Mexico and started setting up missiles on america's border? America would be the invader for telling not to and when they refused attacking?

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wiki is editted by government staffers..

Anyone can edit, and get reviewed by the other editors for accuracy. If you know Wikipedia, you know this.

Did NATO pull off a coup and start shipping in weapons and readying bases on Russia's border?

Absolutely not.

Yes.

No.

What if Russia pulled a coup on Mexico and started setting up missiles on america's border?

Almost happened in Cuba. JFK told Russians to remove nukes. (Nukes can go much further now.)

America would be the invader for telling not to and when they refused attacking?

Assuming I should understand this word salad, you may want to read about the Bay of Pigs invasion and attempted coup, where the Cuban Revolutionary Armed Forces repelled the Americans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

So the US did invade a neighboring country and were expelled, as they should have been expelled, and Russians should be expelled from Ukraine.

[–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

A wonderful bird is the pelican,
His bill will hold more than his belican,
He can take in his beak
Food enough for a week,
But I'm damned if I see how the helican.

[–]Bitch-Im-a-cow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

now we're talking