This is ridiculous

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[–]LarrySwinger2 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Okay, good detective work. Here's my current impression of what happened, based on the limited data I have. It should be taken more as a possibility.

  • /u/bobbobbybob and /u/magnora7 were bickering over how this site should be moderated. bob left out of frustration.
  • m7 may or may not have banned bob on top of that. (I can't tell.)
  • the ironleft trolls, realizing that bob wouldn't be around to set the record straight, created the hoax that m7 banned bob for transphobic slurs. The idea was to frame others for spreading it. They did this by using fake accounts (/u/bobbobbybob2 and /u/bobbobbybob3) to send this image (which is clearly fake) to, at the very least, /u/AmericanMuskrat and /u/Enza (as you can see here).
  • Muskrat, mistaking it for a real screenshot by the real bob, shares it with others.
  • m7 gets the impression that the fake screenshot originated from Muskrat and bans him.
  • Muskrat has only limited capacity for drama and, instead of fighting it, simply announces his leave.

So how do you guys feel about this? Can you see how they were simply looking who'd take the bait, and how Muskrat was caught in crossfire? Of course, I only have part of the picture. But m7, please consider to what degree you're basing his ban on actual evidence that he's a shill instead of being framed. For example, when you say he posted about how great it is to have sex with 17 year olds, was it really him posting those things? I saw this screenshot, but it's obviously just as fake as the bob screenshot. I don't know in what other ways he was stirring up drama (because I miss things). But if we're left with him pushing the boundaries, then that doesn't mean he's a shill. Carswell posted in /s/tits, but that doesn't make him a shill. If Muskrat's a shill, he's an impossibly convincing one. He made witty posts and befriended established users. This is atypical for shills, they don't put in that kind of effort. I have further evidence that he was framed, which I will PM to you.

Edit: to add, I think bob's a real user as well. They were rude, but people have acted like that online forever, they're simply enjoying the anonymity that the Internet provides. I don't think so many people would find them interesting (myself included) if they were a troll.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Thanks, that's a cogent explanation of everything that's come out.

I would like to see M7 reconsider the bans, as I think sticking to them will give the troll a huge win and hurt saidit, but it's his site to do with as he wishes.

/u/TheAmeliaMay

I know you and bob don't get along, but what do you think of this?

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That's pretty much what happened, to my knowledge.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes - I think this is a good summary by /u/LarrySwinger2 and in your notes. I mentioned similar points to M7 and Amelia earlier, and M7's response to me in the earlier thread indicates that there are other disturning screenshots at issue (IDK), but in any event, I agree with a number of people here (and I think /u/TheAmeliaMay agrees) that another review would be helpful. Regarding /s/Tits, it was a very light-hearted approach, without anything shocking or abusive, but rather silly posts about birds, men, &c. I and Muskrat have kindly asked M7 for clemency for Muskrat, given the confusing nature of the troll attacks. But trends indicate that this will not happen.

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There are four fake screenshots I know of:

  1. Magnora telling Bob they where banned for anti-trans slurs

  2. Musky saying he's into kids

  3. Fschmidt recruiting for the iron left trolls

  4. FediNetizen promoting violence

There might be more, but those are all I've seen thus far.

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Yes - that seems to be the list I've seen.

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Great comment, I think you hit the nail on the head. This is my perspective of the entire situation, but as a user, there may be admin info and evidence they’ve collected we’re not privy too, even though TAM seems to be on the same page.