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[–]cunninglingus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

https://youtu.be/Fkk9DI-8el4?t=26

QAnon is obviously part of the language of the far right:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348675626_The_Gospel_According_to_Q_Understanding_the_QAnon_Conspiracy_from_the_Perspective_of_Canonical_Information

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348675626_The_Gospel_According_to_Q_Understanding_the_QAnon_Conspiracy_from_the_Perspective_of_Canonical_Information/figures?lo=1

And it's part of what the populist movement that elected Trump was about. QAnon is part of the soul of the far right, their uses of evangelical churches to get voters, their appeal to boomers, their anti-science politics, the anti-vax politics, their politicization of everything, their racism, their anti-democratic movement, their interest in destroying government agencies so that corporations can take over, and so much more. There is absolutely NO argument or evidence that supports the claim that anything QAnon-related came from the 'left'.

In fact, QAnon is a means of 'broadening the envelope' for the far right movement, to expand their movement across a broader part of the US demographic, by spreading their lies. Many on the 'right' know that QAnon might not be accurate but don't care, because they want to support politics of the right more generally, even if they 'hold their noses and vote'. Another important result is that many in the US have seen those lies so often that they don't know if they are lies. Even comments in this thread admit they used to believe in QAnon. Did that help the 'left'. Absolutely NOT. It began partially as an anti-Hilary message and expanded to many other lies that helped elect Trump (who spread 50,000+ lies in 4 years), and helped Repugs win the mid-term elections, and still benefits the 'right' by a LARGE margin. QAnon is NOT a psyop by the left, not by any stretch of the imagination. That's like saying the 'left' are trying to kill themselves.

What you might be seeing more recently and in the future is the 'left' reminding voters that the 'right' is the party of QAnon. I hope this will happen more often. The 'left' is rarely as effectively active and on message as the 'right'. This is partially because the 'left' is a complicated group, have been in the majority (the electorate, not the elected), and many on the 'left' have no proper idea how dangerous the 'right' is, and that they are in the process of destroying everything that gave rise to the American dream for boomers. The 'right' are much more focused on their mission, which is double-speak, whereby voters get one message and politicians do whatever the corporate bribes require them to do (and some on the 'left' do this as well, which is part of the problem). One need only mention anti-abortion laws to the 'right' in order to get votes, for example. Jesus take the wheel.

[–]Dragonerne 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

You're wrong. QAnon is a psyop and was never popular nor did it boost numbers nor did it do anything. It just hijacked already popular theories and lumped them together with nonsense.

[–]cunninglingus 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

You're wrong.

was never popular

I didn't claim this. Far right conspiratards are not popular - generally within the US - but QAnon is popular within the far right consipirard audience.

nor did it boost numbers nor did it do anything.

Numerous studies show that Cambridge Analytica, Russian hackers, US evengelical groups, Trump, gravy seals, and many Republicans were sharing the Qtard consipracies among them (and I heard this from close Repuglican associates who claimed to know the same QAnon material from ex-CIA folks). So, yes, QAnon helped boost Repug voting numbers. Perhaps you were too young to notice in 2015-20.

It just hijacked already popular theories

Now you're admitting that their theories were popular, by association with early theories. But this too is problematic. For example, the pizza shop basement sex trafficking ring run by Hilary was QAnon from the outset, and not at all popular among Repugs until QAnon made the claims.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

but QAnon is popular within the far right consipirard audience.

I AM THAT AUDIENCE and no it was never popular anywhere.

Now you're admitting that their theories were popular, by association with early theories. But this too is problematic. For example, the pizza shop basement sex trafficking ring run by Hilary was QAnon from the outset, and not at all popular among Repugs until QAnon made the claims.

No, that's what you don't get and this is how you're being mislead. Most of the conspiracies within QAnon are real conspiracies that the far right DO often believe in BUT, and that's the crucial point for you to get here, not the QAnon version of it. QAnon is a psyop. It works as a vaccine to discredit far right conspiracies such as pizzagate and many more.

You are believing the media version of reality instead of asking ME or others like me who the media is describing lol. I know all those conspiracies and followed them before QAnon was propped up in the media and we laughed at it because we knew what it was from the start.

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You cannot understand QAnon as an independent group of theories. It's irrefrangibly, ineluctably, inexpugnably within the misinformation engine of the political 'right' and 'alt-right. Anyone referencing their conspiracy theories are automatically referencing their system of theories that include QAnon in some form or another. That's the whole point of the misinformation campaign: to gain followers who eventually forget the significance of - or agree with - the lies that indoctrinated them as believers of right wing candidates.

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You clearly don't get it