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Part 2

Mackey's Quote


The posted Mackey quote in Hibiki's meme is part paraphrase, part forgery and totally misrepresenting the entirety of the paraphrase by withholding the proceeding section where Mackey debunks these statements. For the quote is actually a paraphrase by Mackey in which he is listing, what he calls, the “preposterous” arguments of the contention. Therefore, this scholarly Freemason, which /u/hibikiblack misrepresents his posted paraphrase as proof that the alleged Jesuit control of Freemasonry is proven by a Freemason like Mackey himself, proves the opposite, that Mackey debunks the entirety of these claims in the proceeding section that the meme curiously forgot to paraphrase. How despicable that a Jesuit theorist would manipulate the meaning of a masonic scholars authorship to denigrate Jesuitism.

In the middle of the 18th century, during the [Jesuit] suppression, the Jesuits incorporated themselves into Freemasonry through the order of the Illuminati created by Adam Weishaupt in 1776.

Apparently, this was written in Mackey’s ‘History of Freemasonry vol. II’ according to /u/hibikiblack.

Here are the closest statements I’ve found written by Mackey:

The theory that the Jesuits in the 17th century had invented Freemasonry for the purpose of effecting one of their ambitious projects, or that they had taken as then existed, changed it, and added to it for the same purpose, is absolutely untenable.

[…] ...has been maintained [by others; not Mackey, as your stupid meme wrongly maintains] that this notion of the intrusion, as may well be called, of the Jesuits into the Masonic Order has been attributed to the Illuminati, that secret society which was established by Adam Weishaupt in Bavaria about the year I776.

Mackey, however, debunks this nonsense and concludes that no legitimate evidence exists proving these claims. Therefore, /u/hibikiblack ‘s meme is a noutright lie intended to misrepresent Mackey’s views for the anti-Jesuitical agenda often pushed by theorists such as

On a side note, charter documents and letters written by British statesmen illustrate, firstly, that the Bavarian Illuminati existed well before 1776, spanning back to 1738!

Freemasonry was always opposed to Catholic Jesuitsm. In fact, book nu-Freemasonry worked with communists of the orient to infiltrate, subvert and destroy Catholic Jesuits and the Church. But can this even be considered Masonry, no, not exactly, not the blue lodge masonry that your Grandpa was a member of. Fitzpatrick Informer's The Jesuit theory as a Judeo-Fallacy, Maurice Pinay's 'Plot Against the Church' or the several wonderful books written by Dennis Fahey on the Judeo-masonic conspiracy detail this subversive campaign of neo-Freemasonry, such as P2 and the Grand Orient rites that existed before these alleged to be fringe groups.

Anyone with an ounce of knowledge on this subject would know that masonry is opposed to Catholicism and Jesuitism, which was an order of the Church that spread the gospel to the 4 corners of the earth. Why then are rabbinates, masons, Marranos, Chabad-Lubavitchers and a Pope that hangs a painting in his office with the words: "to blot out His name forever," as Talmudic rabbis often proclaim; the modern heretics but certain proprietors of the Church? It is because they presently control the church, not Catholics, let alone Catholic Jesuits. For Pope Bergoglio is, indeed, a marrano.

This you have in common with the rabbis hibiki. A fervent hatred for Catholicism and a denial of Christ having ever walked on this earth. You'd rather believe in the kosher slaughter of the gospel—fairytales espoused by Joseph Atwell. This fellow Joseph, that you often quote, would have you believe that Jesus Christ never existed [even though Talmudic tests exist denigrating Christ] but that the Khazar Jewish woman that interviewed Atwell is a relative of Abraham ... As the rabbis say, and Pope Francis with his anti-Christ painting hanging at his office: "Yimach sh'mo v'zikhrono (May [Jesus'] name and memory be blotted out)”

Atwill wrote a book "Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus" but wait: the gospels confirm that Jews (not Christians) cried out "We have no King but Caesar"! The rabbis fail for 2000 years and on they fail! JESUS is not a "Jew" HE did not descend from the Pharisees nor was HE a member of the Serpent Cult called Judaism that derived from the Pharisees.

Mr. Atwill is self-described as being "Brilliant". Lucifer also was described thusly.

An erudite would also know that Jesuits (Catholics) wrote dozens of encyclicals against Judeo-inspired communism, which is evidenced by father Fahey's scholarly works and Solzhenitsyn's '200 Years Together' — both of whom also detail the Jewish commissars, neo-masons, and self-proclaimed libertarians who persecuted the Church, whether Catholic or Orthodox, lining up thousands of clergyman and executing them. One of the first decrees in Bolshevik Russia was the execution of a person deemed anti-Semitic on even a hearsay accusation of 'anti-Semitism,' which, as we know, most of these Bolsheviks were of Yiddish origin and so were non-Semitic—a term hibiki likes to wrongly use, commonly utilized by the judeo-supremacist ADL and other such supremacist organizations.

Political Zionism has always been a corporate ism. It idolizes race distinctness like National Socialism as opposed to universalism... so is that why you cover for Jewish supremacists and use the username HibikiSS on reddit? For both parties are inevitably naturalist equivalents diametrically opposed to each other but also to the Church's universalism.

Mackey writes, "This view [Jesuit and Freemason amalgamation] has been denied by other writers of equal eminence, though it is admitted that Roman Catholic, if not Jesuitical, features are to be found in some of the high degrees."

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

hilarious an informative. thanks J-boss.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Jesuit theorist

Haha.

Can you explain this Jesuit/Freemason debate in a couple hundred characters? I'm mainly curious because of the hundreds of 10,000 character comments full of links and claims you guys have exchanged. What's the deal?

IMO, you should get some pinned posts now that his vote manipulation has been exposed, and admitted.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

and admitted.

I missed that part. Where when?

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Dang, sent that reply to d3rr instead of Jesus...

Look at Hibikis user page and see his recent post that mentions being demodded in the title.

[–]JasonCarswellPlatinum Foil Fedora 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. Found it.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Jesuit theorist

Haha.

Can you explain this Jesuit/Freemason debate in a couple hundred characters? I'm mainly curious because of the hundreds of 10,000 character comments full of links and claims you guys have exchanged. What's the deal?

IMO, you should get some pinned posts now that his vote manipulation has been exposed, and admitted.

(Jason just replied and I noticed I had sent this to d3rr instead of you)

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Jesuitism is an incorproation of the Catholic church. It is a corporation/order with members that make an oath to follow the Catholic church and preach the gospel. The early Jesuits were not Jews, though ethnic Jews could become members if they renounced their Jewishness and follwoed Christ in faith. Jesuitism was originally and fervently Monastic, seeking out weak and lowly people to help and train in trade skills, while also spreading the gospel. 15th century say an infiltration of Marrano Jews. that is, Jews who did not renounce their Rabbinism/Jewishness, who sought to infiltrate and subvert the Jesuit order. Jesuit order today is subverted and is largely in the hands of crypto-Jews. Freemasonry is an incorporation that built US Inc., in fact, it created the charter republic. Freemasonry, such that of the blue lodge, is merely a club of local men and nothing more. Macky's 33 degree freemasonry, ie. Book masonry such as that of the grand orient and continental order is an incorporation that seeks the very opposite of Jesuitsm. Freemasonry sought revolutions in areas controlled by the Church.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks, concise and informative.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Read Christopher Hollis The History of jesuits