Donald Trump's Shadow War Against Pedophilia

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[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

The law makes no difference to what I said.

Most adult aren't having sex with people under 18 no matter the laws in their counties.

Also in Germany the law is not so simple as that. It's low so teenagers can have sex with each other but it's still illegal for an adult to have sex with a 14 year old.

Sorry to break it to you, you are a perv and all decent people hate you.

[–]the_outpost 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Also in Germany the law is not so simple as that. It's low so teenagers can have sex with each other but it's still illegal for an adult to have sex with a 14 year old.

false.

there is only 1 age of consent in germany, and that's 14 -- for both adults and other teenagers.

if "all" an adult did was to have sex with a 14yo, they cannot legally be convicted of any crime in germany. It takes additional aggravating circumstances -- e.g., having to prove that the adult did in fact take advantage of the 14yo (beyond simply pointing to the age, which would constitute age discrimination). in fact, this regularly leads to "unheard-of" acquittals -- a feast for conservative tabloids there. (source: i live not far from the border.)

you may as well argue sex among adults be illegal in germany (and elsewhere), because if you can prove it was rape, then it's illegal. except sex among adults still isn't, because rape is an aggravating circumstance you will have to prove on top of proving they had sex.

so please do not spread misinformation.

Most [sexually active] adult aren't having sex with people under 18 no matter the laws in their counties.

source?

[–]Comatoast 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

age discrimination

Is this a serious argument? Age discrimination is your arguing point on age of consent being 14 in Germany? 14 year old females may have JUST recently began menarche. Their bodies are at great risk if they end up pregnant (the natural state after having sex). Sure, there's birth control.. if you actually remember to take it, and it's not a failsafe against pregnancy even with more than one method used. They're also extremely susceptible to peer pressure, leading to riskier behavior that they wouldn't have necessarily done while alone. That said, sex between teens is expected. The problem arises when you introduce adults into the equation, where a younger teen might be more trusting and easily convinced to perform sexual acts. If Germany genuinely doesn't consider this in their consent laws, maybe they should have been turned into an unlivable ash tray.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418963/

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721412471347

[–]the_outpost 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Age discrimination is your arguing point on age of consent being 14 in Germany?

it's not.
my arguing point is that it's a plain fact that the age of consent is 14 in germany -- like it or not.
the legal assessment that criminalizing sex on the basis of the age of the 14yo (and/or the adult) alone constitutes age discrimination is a consequence of that fact, not it's cause.

The problem arises when you introduce adults into the equation, where a younger teen might be more trusting and easily convinced to perform sexual acts.

how does this problem only arise facing adults? hate to break it to you, but kids can be cruel.

the irony is that it is exactly that linking of the criminalization of sex with kids to a specific conduct and/or intent of the perpetrator that fuels that 14-and-up law in germany. because like you do here, it, too, does not categorically criminalize sex with kids (aged 14 and up). the consequence is that you have to prove in court that the allegation of that specific conduct and/or intent is not based on the perpetrator's age alone -- which, again, would be age discrimination otherwise.

you... have not thought this through, have you?

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

how does this problem only arise facing adults? hate to break it to you, but kids can be cruel.

Hate to break it to you, but kids are functionally retarded when it comes to making decisions. Humans can be assholes by default, and teenagers are included in that-- but they're still on equal playing fields regarding their decision making abilities. Can they still be predatory towards one another and cruel? Yeah, and that shouldn't be dismissed. It's still very much not the same as an adult pursuing a child. I included a link in my original post regarding that to solidify my point that adults that knowingly enter into a sexual relationship with a 14 year old are predatory. There are laws against statutory rape for a reason. Age discrimination is there for a reason, and it's to acknowledge the physiological and psychiatric developmental differences between adults, adolescents and children.

I've thought it through plenty.

[–]the_outpost 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

kids are functionally retarded when it comes to making decisions.

exactly.
and yet somehow it's you who's trying to rationalize that sex with kids be okay in certain circumstances.
how come? are you a childhood victim yourself, like u/americanmuskrat, trying to rationalize it was all okay?

but they're still on equal playing fields regarding their decision making abilities.

so as long as the pedo is a retard, you're okay with it? (aren't most anyway?)

how is a tragic decision less tragic if two kids make it instead of just one?
just because neither is criminally accountable doesn't mean there are no victims. that's not how tragedy works.

Can they still be predatory towards one another and cruel? Yeah, and that shouldn't be dismissed.

but... you just did.

I've thought it through plenty.

not sure you want to claim that medal, friend.
<insert "aw it's a retard" meme>

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

childhood victim yourself, like u/americanmuskrat

Holy fuck, I wasn't a victim. We had fun, nobody was hurt. I was a very horny little kid. Totally would have fucked my teacher's if I had any idea a couple were coming onto me.

Although as an aside -- that was very wrong of them. They were teachers. I say that in retrospect but if both of them wanted to blow and/or fuck my brains out, that would be a cherished memory today.

And that wasn't a teacher that was my gf, it was a co-worker and after HS.

Edit: mentioned this to my wife, she doesn't think anyone was taken advantage of. I asked her that if now, at 40 if I was more mature than I was back then and she said no.

The wife is just a year older. Always liked older women. Coo, coo, ca-choo.

[–]Comatoast 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that the argument that I'm trying to relay through your thick fucking skull isn't setting in is getting annoying.

Teenagers will likely have sex regardless of what laws are put into place to keep them from doing so. Teenagers are peers on a physiological and psychologically developmental level, relative to their age group. No, that doesn't mean that developmentally stunted adults are included. Should they be having sex with eachother? Probably not, but it's a safe bet that in our sex positive society it's going to happen regardless. We infantalize teenagers. In Western societies, they're expected to be babied and kept from any source of distress while pushing them to reject any sort of critical thinking. Teenagers today are not the teenagers of even a century ago where a myriad of responsibilities and strife might force them into adult situations or lifestyles. Studies regarding psychology and development have made quite a few changes since that point, and maybe there are some out there, but I'm too fucking lazy to look them up right now to see if there could be differences when looking at the two groups. That said, the further we push teens into being considered children, the further the access that adults should have to them on a sexual or romantic relationship basis.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Many trolls in this site recently, magnora should take a look at those pedo accounts

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, and trolling adds to the fun sometimes. The pedo shit is irritating and beyond trolling. I don't know why they couldn't just use Twitter since they're celebrated over there.