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[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, again, I'm being super honest when I'm saying that geopolitics, much less historical geopolitics, isn't my thing.
This is genuinely not a subject that I know about, but provoking you to be honest and display your hard work seemed effective and I'm glad I did it. You seem quite knowledgeable and passionate about this and I like that.

It might be easier if you just spell it out for me. I'm definitely not following. I've just read a lot of weird theories about things and that's about all I can bring to the table.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That there appeared to be some interesting connections before Hitler even came to power or knew he ever would, between Germany and Zionists, specifically in regards to Herzl and the German Kaiser, German Templar colonies, and a certain Keren Hayseod.

Herzl, considered the founder of Israel, who introduced political Zionism to the world and Jewry in the late 19th century wrote in his diaries that anti-Judaics would become our best friends, and like Ben-Gurion and the Cabalist 6 million figure, Herzl wanted pogroms against diaspora Jews so that they would emigrate to Israel for their settler project. Of course, many Jews had left for Israel prior to Hitler, to the tune of 100,000, so this sort of disproves that Hitler was working for the Zionists, plus Operation Atlas puts that theory to bed. Also, the Jewish pop. emigration figures to Israel would have been much greater if Hitler was part of this plan, and there probably would not have been 125,000 Jews who fought for the reich, some holding high milotary positions closento Hitler.

Nevertheless, Herzl said that the "Diaspora Jew living outside of Israel is a kike and an arrow is aimed at his breast." What does this tell us?

Harsh words from a Zionist Jew against Diaspora Jews.

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, this is why I connected Balfour Declaration to Haavara Agreement. It followed that if Max Warburg was allowed to leave despite the SS having vast knowledge such that they'd go and murder a bunch of roths, that Max wouldn't simply be permitted escape.
To know that it was concocted outside of and before Hitler even figured out the ordeal, it made it feel like Hitler became a useful scapegoat.

This is much more coherent and although I tend to find trusting "historians" reprehensible, I can see how this makes a lot of sense.
Plenty of the strong orthodox community is disgusted by "Jews" that don't live or want to live in Israel... but that's why they should be called "Jews". Well, that and the whole not really being descended from Israelites.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sure they'd have arrested and killed Max if he'd have stayed. Don't know much about Orthodox Judaism other than it being pretty anti-Goy.