Why did George Mandel Rothschild get shot by the Nazis if they were working for him? Why did Nazis close down, arrest and expel Warburgs and Rothschilds if according to Christopher Jon Bjerknes and sadly James Corbett, Hitler was a Rothschild

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[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I don't know why anyone pushes the idea Hitler was controlled by any group.

Literally the whole of his political career was driven by people thinking they could control him and failing.

There's an german book out now about the rich doing just that, Nazis and Nobles by Stephan Malinowski.

[–]Jesus[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Believe me, there's an entire grifter base that pushes bunk disinfo that Hitler was a bastard Rothschild and worked with the Warburgs.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah it's pretty amazingly insane. Oh and that the guys who started the Nazi party were all homosexuals, that's another good one.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well many were, but obviously not enough that they could defend themselves when Hitler decided to take them out.

[–]369 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You realize that not everything is hegemonic, right?
Do you seriously believe a Rothschild would "kill themselves"?

Before they used the "they killed themselves" there were other options...

Look, I'm not saying that I know of all of the intricacies about the relationship of H and the families. I do know, however, that the Nazis never lost, they didn't all just disappear and there wasn't one central faction. A lot was at play there.
Sure, maybe there isn't extensive and concrete examples that pin H to ALL Roths or all Warburgs, but they did work together and not just once.

Havaara Agreement + Balfour Declaration alone spells things out. Maybe all of the families didn't agree unilaterally, but there was clearly enough of a consensus, especially considering what Israel was in modernity.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The NAZIS 100% lost! Traditionalism lost! The Nazis would have Dershowtiz, Epstein, Trump and Biden all arrested, including every owner of today's media. Please tell me, why have not these modern day Nazis you speak of, not arrested the press? The Rothsochilds, Warburgs, even the gentile Morgans hated the Nazis and the Nazis arrested and expelled the lot of them as they believed no income should be unearned and speculation is unearned income.

Sure, maybe there isn't extensive and concrete examples that pin H to ALL Roths or all Warburgs, but they did work together and not just once.

Source for this? You won't find one legit source because it never happened. The National Socialists worked with German Zionists in a transfer agreement which didn't last long and saw only 20,000 Jews leave for Palestine as opposed to 100,000 before Hitler was even known by anyone. So, again, the grifter disinfo that Hitler created Israel is another fat lie.

Havaara Agreement + Balfour Declaration alone spells things out. Maybe all of the families didn't agree unilaterally, but there was clearly enough of a consensus, especially considering what Israel was in modernity.

No it doesn't. It spells out that Hitler wanted to end the boycott and British Israelism and Wealthy Jews wanted Palestine which is part and parcel of their world rule from Jerusalem.

[–]369 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Operation Paperclip

Max Warburg was on an economic council with a Rothschild.

Balfour Declaration was organized by the British and Rothschilds so that there was, just as you've described, a control mechanism in place that used the planned and looming "tragedy" to justify its existence. The Havaara Agreement wasn't the extent of coordination with Zionists. Look at Lehi.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Firstly, I understand it that you think Hitler was a demon. For that reason, this dehumanization, clouds your perception. He lived and dbreathed as a human, so treat him as a human despite his obvious flaws and crimes.

Top Zionist George Mandel Rothschild was arrested by the Gestapo, and executed. Zionist Elizabeth de Rothschild was arrested by the Gestapo, and died in Ravensbruck concentration camp. Other Rothschilds arrested by Hitler: - Louis de Rothschild - Élie de Rothschild.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em_BmqPW4AIQGP3.jpg

Hitler's rise to power was largely grassroots and mostly powered by the rural working class and membership dues, search Kerry Bolton on this. Even Antony Sutton admits this. Actually, many disinfo agents wrongly quote fake texts from his book claiming that Sutton wrote that Hitler was financed by the Rockefellers, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds, etc. Reading his book, because nobody actually reads, Sutton never says this, in fact he says the very opposite.

The argument is that H rose to power of his own will and was used as a scapegoat to construct the Zionist meme numbers by letting him think he was doing the right thing the whole time.

It's a dumb theory when taking into account the war that was waged on private banks and Zionists of all types. The haavara agreement was a means to end the Jewish boycott on Germany. Morover, in regards to the Transfer agreement, by 1939 a pro-Palestine policy was adopted, and the Reich actively supported Amin al-Husseini against the British/Zionist mandate. This manifested into action like Operation Atlas which involved parachuting Waffen SS into Palestine to foment an insurgency. So, yeah, they were against Zionists obviously.

The National Socialist state paper even openly discussed the Zionist prophecy for Palestine. What are your thoughts on this?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em6ecYlWEAAvacw.png

Again, Operation Atlas, a joint German-Palestinian mission to parachute Waffen SS into Palestine to overthrow ZOG. Rothschild was very upset

Wouldn't that murderous fiend just execute Max though?............. Why allow him to flee and take his money with him? You think H didn't know who he was?

Again, Max Warburgs family bank "M. M. Warburg & Co." was nationalized by Hitler, the Warburgs would never had wanted this, and Max Warburg himself had to flee to the United States. Why did that happen? Warburg eventually lead a campaign against Hitler. Murdering him or not does not negate the fact that he fled Germany because National Socialists believed that speculators of any kind were to be arrested because they stole the wealth from the community. In this case, Feder was right!

Who is George Scherff? Do you know that one? How do you think he knew Allen Dulles?

I know that after the war Dulles was angered by how the west was treating German POWS. Anthony Sutton literally says in his own book, that neither Rockefeller, Bush or Thyssen ever funded Hitler, see jpg:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em-519tW8AATwNf.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em-4BW9W4AUxq_p.jpg

Prescott Bush did not have "Nazi ideals" he was investigated for acting as a clearinghouse for a steel corporations in Germany going back to the 1920s (before Hitler was even in politics).

Deathbed confessions were hoaxes, the George H. Scherff, Jr. narrative is a known fabrication. Reinhardt Gehlen tried to assassinate Hitler. The CIA's first incarnation was the OSS (Office of Strategic Services) who's primary focus was to direct psychological warfare against Germany during WW II. The CIA worked with anti-Hitler people like Gehlen and Cannaris who were trying to assassinate Hitler.

All these fabrications were manufactured by a creator in Florida named ERIC BERMAN aka ERIC ORION.

Who obviously had NO CLUE that OTTO SKORZENY was NEVER IN the USA and was NEVER “a carpenter” and NEVER MET GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH who NEVER had the name SCHERFF… try looking in BURKE’S PEERAGE…it’s the Bible on this genealogy and NO SCHERFF.

These things have simple explanations.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em7XQ75XMAAz3zx.png

Professor Henry Ashby Turner recounts the campaign days of the NSDAP, big business ostensibly refusing to fund them, and having to resort to riding around in delivery trucks. So much for the "muh ZOG funded Hitluh" story.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq3IaZsWMAA66el.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq3N9ShXIAA3Ket.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq3seZGXcAARUqz.png

Myth of the big business-Nazi/Axis https://t.co/mwNLTdg7v0 Hitler had the idea of dropping the international gold standard as a medium of exchange and use MEFO/treasury notes instead, thereby bypassing the "rich mens tricks" and eliminating foreign speculation and inflation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em_EVf-XMAAgj2Q.jpg

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well done.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As for Paperclip; under "Operation Lusty" - advanced German aeronautical technology was simply stolen from Germany. The Germans brought to the US, such as in Operation Paperclip were done so under threats. Their options were to work for the US or face trials at Nuremberg. The reason being was because the German aeronautical technology was vastly superior, and the Allies wanted it.

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You passed.
Good job, fren.

[–]jykylsin2034 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's probably just people thinking it was too good to be true subconsciously and so they reject it as false

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean we all know how weak and useless our current crop of politicians are on all sides. It would literally take one hard nosed, sharp Machiavellian minded person to cut through the whole lot of them like a hot knife through butter.

Hitler's time in Germany was much the same.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because when Hitler had finally learned about his future role, he was unamused?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He might have been MANIPULATED by the Jews to some extent, sure. But yeah, if/when he found out, that scum died.

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Look at Lehi.
Look at the Havaara Agreement (Max Warburg was allowed to leave just a little before H started "getting the jews").
Look at the Balfour Declaration and put it together.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Lehi had open propaganda against the Reich. I have entire news clippings of Lehi hatred directed at the reich and vice versa. Moroever, Hitler funded the Palestinian resistance, the Lehi had wanted arms from teh Reich but little was exchanged and the large majority was given to the Arabs in Palestine. In fact, the Zionsits situated in Israel have letters pertaining to the Reich and calling on the British to save them from a ground invasion by the Reich. In fact, it was the Zionists that wished to complete the Cabalist 6 million figure sacrafice, that never happened, so they had to fabricate it and the Soviets did well propagating this myth. Sure, innocent Jews were persecuted by both Zionists and Nazis but Nazis and Zionists were diametrically opposed to each other. Hitler in his Black Book had hundreds of Zionists out for arrest.

Here is a methodical deconstruction of the fraudulent document known as "Hitlers Secret Backers" - the book is a farce from cover to cover, no historian takes it seriously. And like It says in your own Wiki entry, Sydney Warburg never existed.

https://t.co/Lte2h1r9HV

Here a bunch of disinfo grifter nonsense:

Hitler basically ensured the establishment of the state of Israel through the Transfer agreement while being funded by Rothschild banker, Warburg. Without WWI, we wouldn’t have the League of Nations (UN) and without Hitler and WWII, we wouldn’t have the state of Israel.

Here's the truth:

Max Warburgs family bank "M. M. Warburg & Co." was nationalized by Hitler, and Max Warburg himself had to flee to the United States. Why did that happen?

Hitler was not funded by the Rothschilds, not even Anthony Sutton claims that. The Balfour Declaration after WW I insured Israel, not Hitler.

[–]369 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Also, why do you suspect that Lehi and the Nazis worked together if they didn't like each other?

Oh, and the following seems like you trying to explain away coordination...

Sure, innocent Jews were persecuted by both Zionists and Nazis but Nazis and Zionists were diametrically opposed to each other.

You seem to keep wanting to do "they didn't do that because they don't like each other", like you can't let yourself believe that.
You know who else claims not to enjoy the things they announce they despise? Homosexual pastors. Tax regulators. SJWs that gatekeep racial tensions (which exacerbates them).

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They didn't, WORK with them, as in propped them up and aided in their success. In actuality, Mussolini, however, did work with revisionist Zionsits and many Jewish fascists but only so much as they aided him.

Sure, innocent Jews were persecuted by both Zionists and Nazis but Nazis and Zionists were diametrically opposed to each other.

125,000 Jews fought for the Reich, some became prominent soldiers close to Hitler.

You know who else claims not to enjoy the things they announce they despise? Homosexual pastors. Tax regulators. SJWs that gatekeep racial tensions (which exacerbates them).

What are you even talking about? Scholars know that the Nazis openly made war on Zionists, just read Hitler's black book for crying out loud, and Zionists even called on the British to help them because they were afraid the Reich would soon invade Palestine. Again, Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that the nationalism of Zionism was good, why? So, he could root out Usurious Jews and speculators. He also wrote what Zionsits would do if they created a Jewish state, so he knew the consequences, which is why they originally wanted to transfer Jews to Madagascar. Nevertheless, Jews already emigrated to Israel prior to Hitler, far more than the Haavara agreement ever did successfuly.

You know who else claims not to enjoy the things they announce they despise? Homosexual pastors. Tax regulators. SJWs that gatekeep racial tensions (which exacerbates them).

Catholic church was ALWAYS anti-homosexual, but through infiltrations, trads were kicked out and replaced with crypto-Jews Jesuits and communists.

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay, okay, I guess I am saying that they "worked together" when, in reality, Stern Gang reached out to Nazis and tried to get them to help defend against British invasion... even though the British were responsible for establishing Israel alongside the Rothschilds. This wasn't the only instance though. There's also the deal that was made with Zionists via the Haavara Agreement.
So that's incredibly awkward.

it is not Hitler who is the hater of the kingdom of Israel and the return to Zion, it is not Hitler who subjects us to the cruel fate of falling a second and a third time into Hitler's hands, but the British.

"Political Theologies in the Holy Land: Israeli Messianism and its Critics", David Ohana

Weird how they pointed finger at the British... It's almost like some "Jews" recognized, for whatever reason, that they were simply being used.
Look, my main point is simply that things weren't and still aren't as hegemonic as historians would make us believe.
What really happened was H was keen to what was going on, became a scapegoat to further Zionists plans, helped the Rothschilds and British establish Israel, which would later be used as the blackmail capitol of the world, keeping the proles in line and he ultimately tried to damage what Soviet Russia was turning in to, even if he failed.

He's not really a hero like most LARPing Feds would have you believe. He wasn't some occultic savior. He probably didn't do all of the "out there" stuff by himself and he wasn't the one pulling all of the strings.
Nazi scientists and some of the organizers escaped to several different ends of the world. There are villages in South America that are still living in the 1940s, thinking H will come back to save them. There has been all sorts of curious things going on in cold places, in the middle of the ocean and somewhere beyond this rock.

We can play "historical consensus knows best" and you can keep pushing me, or we can respect each other like big boys.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, okay, I guess I am saying that they "worked together" when, in reality, Stern Gang reached out to Nazis and tried to get them to help defend against British invasion... even though the British were responsible for establishing Israel alongside the Rothschilds. This wasn't the only instance though. There's also the deal that was made with Zionists via the Haavara Agreement.

So that's incredibly awkward.

Key word here, tried. The Lehi were not successful in this regard. Simple explainations tell us that the Stern gang dd try to get them to help them, Nazis eventually refused and sided with the Palestinian resistence and only fought with them. As for the Haavara Agreement, that was a joint agreement with wealthy Zionsits to emigrate Jews to israel. Only 20,000 were transfered but this was never the first seoncd or third option of Hitler. But they knew the only place the Zionists would accept such a transfer was palestine seeing that they had already had 100,000 Jews emigrate to Israel prior to Hitler even going to art school.

What really happened was H was keen to what was going on, became a scapegoat to further Zionists plans, helped the Rothschilds and British establish Israel, which would later be used as the blackmail capitol of the world, keeping the proles in line and he ultimately tried to damage what Soviet Russia was turning in to, even if he failed.

Sure, that is rather believable. But he wasn't knowingly going along with their scheme. He unintentionally helped the Rothschilds in the end by waging war agaisnt them by losing.

He's not really a hero like most LARPing Feds would have you believe.

Again, I agree. I have a whole post on how there are LARPS in the anglo-Saxon world trying to push the NS did nothing wrong meme. I would reason, because the Nazis lost, Ziofascists, many being Jewish, want to create a fascist theocratic state of some sort so pushing kosher nazism is a plus in their eyes. Plus, although Nazism and Zionism are diametrically opposed they both are similar in regard to ethnoationalism.

Nazi scientists and some of the organizers escaped to several different ends of the world. There are villages in South America that are still living in the 1940s, thinking H will come back to save them. There has been all sorts of curious things going on in cold places, in the middle of the ocean and somewhere beyond this rock.

Indeed, that, or they'd have probably met their fate by the rope. Those that did flee and were not integrated into the Paperclip program went on to build up Egypts rocket program which would again, anger Zionists.

We can play "historical consensus knows best" and you can keep pushing me, or we can respect each other like big boys.

I respect you brother. I'm not worshiping Hitler, rather I'm trying to debunck griifters pushing disinfo such as Hitler was a Rothschild ,etc.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For money. But, nevertheless, they armed the Palestinians and built up Egpyts rocket program.

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I just can't see all of these as coincidence.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What? That Max fled but wasn't killed and the Nazis took over his bank and killed a bunch of Rothschilds? Sure, the war was manufactured, the bankers wanted a war and Hitler was suppose to lose, obviously. Hitler didn't have to be part of the International scheme of so-called democracy, like the Troskyites like to push, to know that the west and east were allied against him. Just read Hitler's aunt's final letter on Hitler and his death and the destruction of germany to know that they believed in what they were doing and were not part of some international scheme. One does not have to worship them or lie about this to understand where they stood.

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The argument is that H rose to power of his own will and was used as a scapegoat to construct the Zionist meme numbers by letting him think he was doing the right thing the whole time. A modern politic was established via the Hegelian Dialectic which synthesized the Wiemar and its reaction, forming the National Socialists. Look, I don't know about the texts you refer to, which you seem to want to refute.

Max Warburgs family bank "M. M. Warburg & Co." was nationalized by Hitler, and Max Warburg himself had to flee to the United States. Why did that happen?

Wouldn't that murderous fiend just execute Max though?............. Why allow him to flee and take his money with him?
You think H didn't know who he was?

Who is George Scherff? Do you know that one? How do you think he knew Allen Dulles?
What's your angle here, big guy?

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Firstly, I understand it that you think Hitler was a demon. For that reason, this dehumanization, clouds your perception. He lived and dbreathed as a human, so treat him as a human despite his obvious flaws and crimes.

Top Zionist George Mandel Rothschild was arrested by the Gestapo, and executed. Zionist Elizabeth de Rothschild was arrested by the Gestapo, and died in Ravensbruck concentration camp. Other Rothschilds arrested by Hitler: - Louis de Rothschild - Élie de Rothschild.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em_BmqPW4AIQGP3.jpg

Hitler's rise to power was largely grassroots and mostly powered by the rural working class and membership dues, search Kerry Bolton on this. Even Antony Sutton admits this. Actually, many disinfo agents wrongly quote fake texts from his book claiming that Sutton wrote that Hitler was financed by the Rockefellers, the Warburgs, the Rothschilds, etc. Reading his book, because nobody actually reads, Sutton never says this, in fact he says the very opposite.

The argument is that H rose to power of his own will and was used as a scapegoat to construct the Zionist meme numbers by letting him think he was doing the right thing the whole time.

It's a dumb theory when taking into account the war that was waged on private banks and Zionists of all types. The haavara agreement was a means to end the Jewish boycott on Germany. Morover, in regards to the Transfer agreement, by 1939 a pro-Palestine policy was adopted, and the Reich actively supported Amin al-Husseini against the British/Zionist mandate. This manifested into action like Operation Atlas which involved parachuting Waffen SS into Palestine to foment an insurgency. So, yeah, they were against Zionists obviously.

The National Socialist state paper even openly discussed the Zionist prophecy for Palestine. What are your thoughts on this?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em6ecYlWEAAvacw.png

Again, Operation Atlas, a joint German-Palestinian mission to parachute Waffen SS into Palestine to overthrow ZOG. Rothschild was very upset

Wouldn't that murderous fiend just execute Max though?............. Why allow him to flee and take his money with him? You think H didn't know who he was?

Again, Max Warburgs family bank "M. M. Warburg & Co." was nationalized by Hitler, the Warburgs would never had wanted this, and Max Warburg himself had to flee to the United States. Why did that happen? Warburg eventually lead a campaign against Hitler. Murdering him or not does not negate the fact that he fled Germany because National Socialists believed that speculators of any kind were to be arrested because they stole the wealth from the community. In this case, Feder was right!

Who is George Scherff? Do you know that one? How do you think he knew Allen Dulles?

I know that after the war Dulles was angered by how the west was treating German POWS. Anthony Sutton literally says in his own book, that neither Rockefeller, Bush or Thyssen ever funded Hitler, see jpg:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em-519tW8AATwNf.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em-4BW9W4AUxq_p.jpg

Prescott Bush did not have "Nazi ideals" he was investigated for acting as a clearinghouse for a steel corporations in Germany going back to the 1920s (before Hitler was even in politics).

Deathbed confessions were hoaxes, the George H. Scherff, Jr. narrative is a known fabrication. Reinhardt Gehlen tried to assassinate Hitler. The CIA's first incarnation was the OSS (Office of Strategic Services) who's primary focus was to direct psychological warfare against Germany during WW II. The CIA worked with anti-Hitler people like Gehlen and Cannaris who were trying to assassinate Hitler.

All these fabrications were manufactured by a creator in Florida named ERIC BERMAN aka ERIC ORION.

Who obviously had NO CLUE that OTTO SKORZENY was NEVER IN the USA and was NEVER “a carpenter” and NEVER MET GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH who NEVER had the name SCHERFF… try looking in BURKE’S PEERAGE…it’s the Bible on this genealogy and NO SCHERFF.

These things have simple explanations.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em7XQ75XMAAz3zx.png

Professor Henry Ashby Turner recounts the campaign days of the NSDAP, big business ostensibly refusing to fund them, and having to resort to riding around in delivery trucks. So much for the "muh ZOG funded Hitluh" story.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq3IaZsWMAA66el.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq3N9ShXIAA3Ket.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq3seZGXcAARUqz.png

Myth of the big business-Nazi/Axis https://t.co/mwNLTdg7v0 Hitler had the idea of dropping the international gold standard as a medium of exchange and use MEFO/treasury notes instead, thereby bypassing the "rich mens tricks" and eliminating foreign speculation and inflation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em_EVf-XMAAgj2Q.jpg

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

See:

Keren Hayseod, Z.O.A., the Palestinian Land Development Company, German Kaiser meeting with Herzl, or the German Templer colonies which had already been established in Palestine.

There might have been a grander plan.

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, again, I'm being super honest when I'm saying that geopolitics, much less historical geopolitics, isn't my thing.
This is genuinely not a subject that I know about, but provoking you to be honest and display your hard work seemed effective and I'm glad I did it. You seem quite knowledgeable and passionate about this and I like that.

It might be easier if you just spell it out for me. I'm definitely not following. I've just read a lot of weird theories about things and that's about all I can bring to the table.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That there appeared to be some interesting connections before Hitler even came to power or knew he ever would, between Germany and Zionists, specifically in regards to Herzl and the German Kaiser, German Templar colonies, and a certain Keren Hayseod.

Herzl, considered the founder of Israel, who introduced political Zionism to the world and Jewry in the late 19th century wrote in his diaries that anti-Judaics would become our best friends, and like Ben-Gurion and the Cabalist 6 million figure, Herzl wanted pogroms against diaspora Jews so that they would emigrate to Israel for their settler project. Of course, many Jews had left for Israel prior to Hitler, to the tune of 100,000, so this sort of disproves that Hitler was working for the Zionists, plus Operation Atlas puts that theory to bed. Also, the Jewish pop. emigration figures to Israel would have been much greater if Hitler was part of this plan, and there probably would not have been 125,000 Jews who fought for the reich, some holding high milotary positions closento Hitler.

Nevertheless, Herzl said that the "Diaspora Jew living outside of Israel is a kike and an arrow is aimed at his breast." What does this tell us?

Harsh words from a Zionist Jew against Diaspora Jews.

[–]369 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, this is why I connected Balfour Declaration to Haavara Agreement. It followed that if Max Warburg was allowed to leave despite the SS having vast knowledge such that they'd go and murder a bunch of roths, that Max wouldn't simply be permitted escape.
To know that it was concocted outside of and before Hitler even figured out the ordeal, it made it feel like Hitler became a useful scapegoat.

This is much more coherent and although I tend to find trusting "historians" reprehensible, I can see how this makes a lot of sense.
Plenty of the strong orthodox community is disgusted by "Jews" that don't live or want to live in Israel... but that's why they should be called "Jews". Well, that and the whole not really being descended from Israelites.

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I'm sure they'd have arrested and killed Max if he'd have stayed. Don't know much about Orthodox Judaism other than it being pretty anti-Goy.