Ponder this: There are so many violent shows, thousands, of which depict muslims murdering people but flip it; imagine a show, just one, where Jewish Likdnik supremacists murder muslims? A show depicting this would be shunned and would never air.

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yes, some muslims are relatively civilized.

Well, if some Muslims are civilized, Islam must not be as malicious as it is made out to be. I never had Islam pushed on me (at least successfully), I chose it because of the rhetorical complexity of the Quran and my relationship to that complexity. I can tell you quite confidently that the Quran is not malicious, you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get a malicious outcome from the Quranic canon. Now, this doesn't mean there aren't deep cultural problems within Islamic societies which are quite often religious in nature to some extent at least and are almost unanimously sourced to Islamic apocrypha (aka hadith). You're entitled to your beliefs but I'd urge you to look at this issue with a bit more nuance. When trying to refute an idea, I'd suggest you find the smartest person advocating for that idea and argue with him. Refute his ideas in good faith instead of going for the arguments which are easy to make and "win". I think that is an important strategy regardless of what you're arguing or talking about.

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RELATIVELY civilized. I am sure some muslims don't practice much. The better muslims. I don't care about what's written in the book. I care about what its practicioners do. They destroy the world. It's bad that they do so. And they have that religion. If it were truly about "fighting evil" they wouldn't try to destroy civilization.

What you are saying is akin to "Catholic clergy is fine because the Bible speaks of doing good." While in fact it does, but that doesn't prevent the Catholic clergy from being a pedophile, homosexual mafia of money laundering and other horrendous crimes.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"Catholic clergy is fine because the Bible speaks of doing good."

I have no problem with Catholicism either. The Bible speaks of doing good and they're Christian. I'm only being slightly facetious here ;)

Seriously though, abuse of power happens in every institution that gains power, that isn't unique to Catholicism.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You speak of "conflating" the religion itself with its practitioners. That's my point: you seem to conflate the practitioners with the religion. We use opposite associative directions. But it was said: "you will know them by their fruit"... So these MUSLIM SAVAGES might not be MUSLIM SAVAGES BECAUSE of their religion directly. Maybe it's the Muslim clergy abusing its power and radicalizing these "poor victims of brainwashing" or however else you want to slice it.

The end result is the same: We still have hordes of muslim savages descending on the civilized world and destroying it.

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We still have hordes of muslim savages descending on the civilized world and destroying it.

I said as much as I'm going to say. If you want to look at the world through this lens, it is your God given right but I am firmly convinced it is not accurate and if you honestly try to understand what I'm saying with an open mind, you'll understand where I'm coming from when you fact check me. Most people in America own guns and most of them are Christian. Does this make gun ownership a Christian principle? You decide.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I agree with Christian gun ownership. Some people plain love guns, it's their thing. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. A car can also be a lethal weapon, and is often used as such. Does owning a car spell ill intent? Either way, in the USA the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution offers a way for citizens to prevent tyranny. Is it working? Nope. But it's a glimmer of hope, and has nothing to do with the question.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh yeah when it is good white Christians who own the guns, no problem. When Palestinians throw some rocks, that is terrorism.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh man, don't get me started on the subhuman parasites that are Jews and their innumerable crimes against all peoples, as well as their revolting genocide of their fellow semitic Palestinians. That's a whole other question.

And yes it's OK for Christians to own guns, as they have been indoctrinated into a faith that makes them relatively peaceful and respectful of human life.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You speak of "conflating" the religion itself with its practitioners. That's my point: you seem to conflate the practitioners with the religion

Nah man, you have a very narrow minded approach to this. No one group or individual represents Islam, every group and individual claiming to be Muslim collectively does. It is difficult to parse through but minority opinions count! There is a lot of internal diversity within the religion, you have to look at the nuances and differences among the various groups identifying as Muslims. If you get two Muslims together, they won't even agree on the method of prayer, religion is open ended and there aren't clear answers. The only thing Muslims ever agree on is the importance of the Quran. Here you are on the outside with pretty much no knowledge of the culture, the Quran or the problems and you think you understand it well. That is fine but you make the most malicious assumption about what others hold sacred. That is also your right but I'd urge you to just check the ego a bit and at least try to understand where I'm coming from.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, yes of course individuality is important. But it is also the case that most cultures have very little individuality, outside the white european ones.