Covid is still a hoax, people.

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[–]WooWhoVintage 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

"Survival of the fittest" is a phrase that originated from Darwinian evolutionary theory

So I find it amazing how people that believe the most in Darwin fight against allowing Darwinian principles to happen. We should just keep moving forward and let any disease run its course. Those who will live will live and those who will die will die.

[–]galaxybrain 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Darwinian theory is simply survival of the good enough to pass on their genes. To procreate. It has sod-all to do with how fit they are.

Let's not see evolution as some perfect filter; especially in the human space, where we can overcome many of our shortcomings through supplements, medicine and surgery.

If you want to get back in to the arguments about "fittest", then we're going to the classic eugenics arguments made 50+ years ago. Nothing new.

[–]WooWhoVintage 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It is survival of the fittest. If Covid-1984 kills you then you don't get to procreate and pass on your genes.

[–]galaxybrain 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

What about a guy who donated to a sperm bank a while back?

In this day and age, you can be stone-cold dead and pass on your genes

[–]WooWhoVintage 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

All I'm saying is let diseases run their course.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

we can use civilzation to help make sure humanity doesn't go extinct. We never would have survived things like the black plague, spanish flu and polio if humans hadn't taken actions.

[–]WooWhoVintage 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem is we've been surviving things like the Black Plague for more than 50 thousand years. We've been dealing with diseases long before ancient Mesopotamia.

[–]galaxybrain 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, that's something else, and I basically agree that's the likely outcome in this case.. we can do what we want against this disease, but eventually it's probably going to kill all the people it was going to kill.

After all, we still don't have a vaccine for SARS-CoV, and that outbreak started in 2002

[–]WooWhoVintage 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I did some personal research about "Coronaviruses" and was surprised to discover:

  • 1. In any given year, up to 33% of cases of the common Cold are caused Cronaviruses and not the traditional Rhinoviruses.
  • 2. Scientists have known about Coronaviruses since 1930 and they've been studying them in humans since the 1960s

This is nothing new that we have... There's always been a multitude of Cold viruses and there will never be a cure for the common Cold. So... In my opinion we should just cut the crap and get on with living our lives.

[–]galaxybrain 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not disagreeing with any of that post, just to be clear... It's definitely correct, I was just saying that "survival of the fittest" is something that's often misused..

This virus may not be defeatable in any traditional sense, and that's something we'll have to live (or die) with

I appreciate you taking the time to actually respond, so I could explain myself.. it's already more than most people on Reddit do

You're also right about the "common cold" being sometimes caused by coronaviruses and not rhinoviruses these days, I've heard that myself, which also surprised me, because I'd been taught the cold was a rhinovirus

[–]Kimgeik 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The common cold is a coronavirus. There's also a few other strains of coronavirus, one of which is pretty lethal for older people. Covid-19 is a new coronavirus. It is new. To say covid-19 isn't new because the common cold is a coronavirus too is like saying a cold sore and genital herpes are the same since they're both herpesvirus. Covid-19, or SARS-Cov-2, is more closely related to SARS than the common cold and we can all be massively relieved it isn't as lethal. Though SARS wasn't nearly as infectious.

[–]WooWhoVintage 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

New or old. It wasn't any worse than the flu or the common cold.

[–]anarchy753 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Our species has evolved to the point where we can pass on genes more reliably that JUST being able to have sex and have a child at the current moment. We also keep people alive through medicine in situations that would otherwise kill them.

As a species we've raised the evolutionary fitness of the weak links, but they're still considered fit because those options exist.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

like a peacocks tail is huge and makes it harder for him to escape predators

[–]galaxybrain 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good example.. there are many examples of why evolution isn't "perfect", because everything is trying to out-compete each other, compensating all the time, but screwing up along the way. But if you're lucky enough to pass your genes on, then the cycle continues.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

and people that say evolution is fake are most likely to believe in survival of the fittest

[–]WooWhoVintage 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I believe in trusting God.

Sure enough, I'm not stupid, so I do things like wear a seat belt when driving. However, there are times when when you need to accept the fact that what will be will be. We shut down the Western economy, told people to avoid each other, passed dress code laws and shamed everyone that just wanted to work. So we should have just accepted the fact that some rotten things were going to happen to good people. Instead we made sure that rotten people got rich and powerful because of it.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

masks are like seatbelts

[–]WooWhoVintage 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

  • Wearing a seatbelt to avoid going through a windshield is one thing.

  • Making me responsible for someone else's health and mandating that I have to change my lifestyle is entirely something else.

No one is preventing any individual from wearing a mask, a hazmat suit, using portable air machines or sealing themselves inside their home. The individual needs to take responsibility for their health and not the general public.

[–]jonah 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

dont listen to this virtue signaling shit lord named Popper. he literally has no arguments and just bitches and moans.

[–]WooWhoVintage 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There's a lot of that going around these days

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

well it is hard to tell someone has it until they already coughed on you, and low IQ people like yourself are more likely to think you're fine and spread it

[–]WooWhoVintage 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LOL... You're a very entertaining fellow.

So I'll tell you what, I'll let you cough on me.

[–]BettysBitterButter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No one is preventing any individual from wearing a mask, a hazmat suit, using portable air machines or sealing themselves inside their home.

That's incorrect. Many employers refused to allow their employees to wear masks until the governments started mandating it. Even hospitals and nurshing homes.

[–]WooWhoVintage 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Many employers refused to allow their employees to wear masks until the governments started mandating it. Even hospitals and nurshing homes.

Quit your job if you don't like the conditions of your employment. The last I checked this is still a free country and you can do anything you want with your life. Find another job or go into business for yourself and make your own rules.

[–]BettysBitterButter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You said no one is preventing anyone from wearing a mask. When I pointed out that's false you completely changed your argument. So you concede.

[–]WooWhoVintage 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No I didn't change my argument.

When you go to work for someone you have 2 choices.

  • 1.To accept the terms of employment (ie: no masks allowed)
  • 2. To not accept the terms of employment. (ie: you will *not** work without a mask)*

It really is that simple.

So if your employer is asking you to do something (or not do as the case maybe) then be a grown up and go find another job. No one is pointing a gun at anyone's head telling them to not wear a mask.

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Once again no one is preventing you from wearing a mask, hazmat suit, etc.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now "The fittest" are the people who don't fall for the tricks of the media and authoritarians

[–]jelliknight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People use that term wrong. 'The fittest' is in context. Sometimes 'the fittest' is the one that hides and waits for danger to pass, so that it can pass on its genetics while the stupider animals run out and get themselves killed. Sometimes "the fittest" are the ones that work together for the common good instead of bickering and working against each other.