WayOfTheBern using reddit shadow banning on saidit

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[–]bucetao6969 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I don't know if this is true or not, but it would be pretty shitty carry over shadow bans from reddit to saidit.

Moreover, shadowbans are shitty in general. Does this system exist in Saidit?

[–]Vulptex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Automoderator has always been able to shadowban on a sub-specific basis.

Since saidit is a fork of reddit the sitewide shadowban system does exist. There's no way to use it at the moment however. But I am fairly confident that if it ever does get enabled it will only be used against spam accounts, and potentially in extreme cases where a user keeps making alts after every single ban.

[–]0_0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No mod can shadowban another user in the traditional way. What they can do is make a bot to automatically delete the post from certain users.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's what a shadowban is. At least on reddit/saidit.

[–]0_0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Apparently this is the case. I've always thought of shadowbaning as being added to a sitewide blacklist by reddit itself or maybe getting your comments deleted by a rule from automoderator that targets a specific user since it's a special bot that pre filters everything before it even shows up in the API a regular bot would use. Honestly I didn't even know this old branch of reddit had automoderator.

[–]bucetao6969 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Shadowban from what I understand is being banned without knowing. You can interact with the community as if you weren't banned, but your votes won't count and your comments won't show up. But you feel like you are still participating.

Shadowban on reddit was apparently global on certain scenarios because there was a sub to test if you were shadowbanned.

I don't know how this global shadowban worked because from time to time I got messages from certain communities saying I was auto-banned from there for engaging in another community.

[–]bucetao6969 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Is this kind of system allowed?

Also does the user know his comment was deleted?

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The user does not know

[–]Dragonerne[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. I was posting for days apparently and had my comments secretly removed. I found out today

[–]bucetao6969 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I feel like if shadowban is a thing only trusted users should be able to shadowban.

Or request an admin to shadowban a user.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There are valid uses for shadowbanning. If it's used in bad faith that would be grounds for removing the sub from /s/all.

I REALLY don't like the idea of "trusted users". That's a recipe for a powermod cabal. Ruqqus didn't believe me that it started the downfall of both Digg and Reddit, so they tried it anyway. And guess what happened?

[–]bucetao6969 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We technically already have trusted users. Moderators from default subs and admins.

Everyone already has the privilege of shadow bannig. My suggestion would be restricting even more to only mods the owner consider trusted.

[–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There was a proposal to have all the admins coordinate, but it was shot down for the reasons I mentioned. Without that network it's difficult to form a secret society.

There is nothing of the sort for default mods. I'm wary of default subs too, but as it stands almost all of those mods have been admins for a long time and probably created those subs.

I don't want to see any special features or tools dished out to certain specific users or moderators. It is impossible for that not to turn into a favoritism contest. You can never fully elminate it, but I think it's been managed okay so far. It can't become a regular thing or corruption will escalate. The admins are all either founders or volunteers from a time when help was needed, it wasn't determined by membership in a certain clique of users. Also no admins except the owner can do basically anything except moderate spam, and occasionally deal with blatant rule violations. No banning subs either.

[–]Alphix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are quite right of course.