US war on free media continues: 13 Lebanese resistance web domains seized

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[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

You know. If you have a personal goal in life, of not going to prison.

Then, making posts celebrating a designated terrorist group as "free" "resistance" is probably not aligned with your goals.

Not because of censorship but because they're terrorist murderers

[–]niggerjewfaggot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Part of the problem is that Hezbollah increased the conflict with Israel, but they did so in order to combat the Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon.

So who are the terrorists? The occupiers of Southern Lebanon (until 2000), or those (including the South Labanese Army) who tried to resist them?

Israel has been destroying portions of Lebanon since the 1960s with US support, while also destroying other portions of the Middle East region through proxy and other methods.

Hezbollah includes assholes, but they would not have so many supporters in Lebanon if they were not considered necessary in defense against Israel.

Israelis often argue that they must defend themselves, but they're normally the ones using overwhelming preemptive force against perceived threats, whereas their neighbors are usually the ones who are trying to defend themselves.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Part of the problem

Part of what problem?

So who are the terrorists

The people who the state department designate as such. The only time the definition of "terrorist" is really going to matter to OP is, when he's on trial for spreading terrorist material online, is the terror group designed as such by the state department? That's literally the only definition that matters to OP.

Anyway I have been to Israel, on a business trip, I have wandered around asking questions and pushing my nose into places to snoop around. So my opinion about Israel is not going to be changed by internet comments.

I am satisfied in my position that Israel is our ally and their aggressive neighbors can suck dicks in hell.

but they're normally the ones using overwhelming preemptive force against perceived threats,

Not perceived. Israel is under near-continuous rocket and terror attacks, including right now, there are rockets landing on ashkelon. If Israel want to respond in a way that make Islamic Jihad (the people firing rockets right now) crippled by PTSD and fear, then they should go ahead and do so

[–]Drewski[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The only thing this article is pointing out is that the United States should not have free reign to censor the internet and seize domains at their whim. Plenty of people have been called "terrorists" throughout history for speaking out against oppressive governments and regimes. Since you seem to be fine with that, you'd have been right at home in Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia when the undesirables were being purged for their speech.

While you were in Israel, you should have visited Palestine and learned a little more about their history. Of course you're only going to get one side of the story speaking to Israelis, though thankfully there are still some resisting their government's oppression of Palestine. Maybe then you wouldn't speak so lightly about the brutal occupation of Israel and their treatment of Palestinians as second class citizens.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lol

America doesn't let Al Qaeda use Dutch KLM airlines

America doesn't let ISIS use Deutsche Bank

And America doesn't let Hezbollah use Lebanese internet registries.

If you don't like it, go and join a terrorist group and try to win against America, so that you can force them to get rid of the law.

Because it's a law they have, and Hezbollah are literally terrorists, so America will stop them from using KLM and Deutsche Bank and Lebanon telecoms and whatever else.

[–]niggerjewfaggot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks. I agree that Israel should be able to protect itself. I know a few people from there and agree with their concerns.

I am also concerned about Israel's neighbors and we have seen that the Israel government (and the US) has destabilized the Middle East, in a process that dates since the 1960s and especially since 1996. We should question the fascist approaches of the government, as indeed my friends in Israel also protest this. But their protests are ignored.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Sorry but I don't really agree with you. I think that given America's stature, if it truly had truly set itself the goal of destabilizing the middle east, then we'd be living in a very different world.

If you care to look at who in the middle east, we've been bashing heads with.

There's Saddam who fielded a ruzzian army of ruzzian helicopters, migs, tanks etc, who ruzzia was arming even after Saddam tried to annex Kuwait.

Saddam and the Baathists had flirted with Pan-Arabic socialism, which meant both he and the other Baathists (like Syria) were historically aligned with ruzzia.

Syria is a complete shitshow because of their historic alignment with ruzzia.

Egypt used to not be called Egypt. It used to be the United Arab Republic, and they also pretended to want a Pan-Arabic socialist Republic, which means they also were flooded with migs and helicopters and ruzzian tanks.

Along with similarly ruzzian equipped armies, the UAR tried to invade Israel plenty of times.

Probably apart from Desert Storm 2, the second most disruptive event in modern middle east history is the Iraq - Iran war.

Ruzzia invaded and occupied Iran in 1945, but switched to favoring Saddam after the Islamic and very non-atheist revolution.

Saddam, with his soviet army, tried to annex his neighboring clay like he always does.

The ruzzians switched to backing Iran after the war and even today prop up the regime with new migs, a floating Caspian corridor for munitions sales, and by controlling Iran's mortal enemy Azerbaijan with ruzzian "peacekeepers" who smuggle all kinds of shit into Artsakh.

Or look at Libya, a country unable to stablise itself, because Wagner provide the rebel general Haftar whatever he needs to cause chaos, just like they provided Gadaffi before him.

Ultimately, you can try to claim that the middle east or central America or wherever else is America's fault, but in doing so you must ignore how America was operating against a peer power who was causing even more chaos than America.

Ruzzia has a policy of zero sum chaos nightmare energy. America just wants to sell fords and eat a burger. Ruzzia fucked up the world and America often failed in their reactions.

But, left to its own devices, America of the 2000s is not really a threat to anyone except competing commercial interests whose politicians won't raise protectionist tarrifs. It's ruzzia and Wagner who are the threat to world order, not America

[–]niggerjewfaggot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for the info. I hadn't previously thought of this much Russian involvement in destabilizing the M.E. but this general problem has come to our attention in recent years, as Russian hackers and political bribes have tried to destabilize also US, German, French, and British politics, not to mention Afghanistan, Syria, India, China, Brasil, Turkey, and any other place that can can be turned to an authoritarian shithole. I do recall the earlier Iraq and Iran connections. That said, my main claim in the earlier post is that Israel has been involved in arranging the intel, hacking, false flags, assassinations, bombings and other forms of support in the destabilizaiton of M.E. and world politics, and that the US has supported Israel on all operations. I base this on what has been in the news, rather than hidden conspiracy claims. So, I agree with you, though would argue that Israel (with US support) has also been closely involved in M.E. problems.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Israel has been involved in arranging the intel, hacking, false flags, assassinations, bombings and other forms of support in the destabilizaiton of M.E

No come on......if Israel had set itself the task of destabilizing the ME then we would be living in a world with a far less stable ME.

Here are some facts about Iran. If you want to know what it looks like when a nation has an official state policy of destabilizing the middle east, here's what it looks like

https://www.ifmat.org/04/16/map-of-irans-regional-proxy-forces-in-the-middle-east/

https://i0.wp.com/www.ifmat.org/archiver/2021/04/ifmat-Map-of-Iran-regional-proxy-forces-in-the-Middle-East.jpg

Edit - oh, the map isn't even complete really because it doesn't show their proxies in Kenya or Nigeria and probably others I'm missing.

Do you want to destabilize the middle east? Why not capture oil tankers in the gulf. Iran did it twice last month. For no reason other than to destabilize.

So, no, Israel is not destabilizing. In fact every time Israel does one of the hacks or assassinations you talked about, there's a.direct link back to the threat against Israel. Actually it wouldn't make sense otherwise and here's why: Israel have more enemies than uniformed personnel. Therefore they have to expend effort prioritising the most dangerous people and places to the israeli state, and work down the priority list, never ever getting far enough down that they can fuck around just destabilizing for the sake of it but instead being trapped in the "first let's deal with this guy smuggling bomb parts into our border city".

Let's say, tomorrow, a miracle happens, and the Iranian government falls, and Putin shits his diaper one final time, and peace falls over the region.

What does Israel do now. Does it operate a policy of positively destabilizing the middle east for the sake of it? No, it protects it's borders, makes money doing big tech, and watches movies eating burgers like every other western country. That's because their goal was always self defense instead of taking positive acts to fuck with other nations. That's how I see it anyway. It's always the dictators who govern through force, doing to destabilizing. Democracies who trade have NEVER in history gone to war with each other.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Is there anywhere that has more info about these groups?

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yes

https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/hizballah.html

[–]jamesK_3rd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Cite a reliable source..

If you ask the fox, it will always say the chickens are safe.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Reliable source for what?

My claim is that the US government has designated Hezbollah as a terrorist group.

My reliable evidence is a dot gov link which says in October 1997, they were designed as terrorists.

What possible source could be MORE reliable to back up my claim?

And fuck off with you henhouse equivocation bullshit. Click the second link to see a list of their terrorist acts. Read the things they did and ask yourself, does that sound like a group who should rightly be labelled a terrorist group? The answer will probably be yes

[–]Drewski[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not a reliable source, considering all the terrorist groups the United States has armed and supported. Including but not limited to the Afghan Mujahideen, the Contras, the Mujahideen-e-Khalq, Afghan Warlords, Nicaraguan Democratic Force, Osama bin Laden, and many other examples.

I'm not advocating or condoning violence by Hezbollah, just pointing out that the US Govt doesn't exactly have clean hands either.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not a reliable source

For what?

The claim which my source backs up is: the state department has listed (ctrl f is actually "hizbullah") the hezbollah entity from your OP link as a terrorist group.

What source could possibly be more reliable, concerning my claim about the state department? Like seriously can you spend 15 seconds trying to come up with an example for who would be a better source concerning my claim about the state department, than a state dot gov page which lists the terrorist groups. Think about it