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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Computer models set to predict worst case scenario always predict temperatures will rise.

You're suggesting that temperature rise is always the worst scenario? If you like. But obviously irrelevant. Computer models are set to understand the climate.

The calculation of about 3°C per doubling of CO2 predates computers. It was first calculated in the late 1800s. (https://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf)

Data collected often demonstrates that co2 follows temperature, not leading temperature.

Look at that graph again: https://www.climate.gov/media/11048

No it fucking doesn't. (Not with respect to the current warming. The glaciation periods end with about 5 or 6 thousand years of warming, co-incident with CO2 rise, initiated by CO2 rise for a few hundred years, setting off the positive feedback loop of increased CO2 driving increased temperature driving increased CO2.)

But that's not what's happening now, and it relies on the fact that CO2 causes warming.

It may be that co2 has nothing to do with the cause of global temperature at all.

Not unless it's not a greenhouse. Which it is.

Look at methane, a far greater risk of being a greenhouse gas which is rarely spoken of

It's not rarely spoken of. For instance, in the last few days:

https://cen.acs.org/environment/climate-change/scientists-want-cut-livestocks-methane/100/i36

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/10/nord-stream-pipeline-methane-leaks/

https://www.mining.com/how-to-determine-coal-mines-methane-emissions/

We only produce about 3% of that which is around 12ppm.

I gave you the sources to show that we've produced over half the CO2 in the atmosphere between 1750 and 2020. And you still claim a fucking stupidly low figure like 3%?

Why? What do you hope to gain by repeating obvious bullshit without even attempting to back it up? You won't convince anyone else. Are you trying to convince yourself?

The sun doesn't heat the earth? Holy smokes! Quick, get out you co2 bathing suit next summer, I'm ready for a scorching!

It doesn't cause the current warming. Because there's be no trend in solar irradiance over the past 140 years, but there has been warming over the past 140 years. As you can see clearly from the graph at the link I gave you.

It was documented US government policy

Was it. Can you link me to this document?

Have you really been hiding under a rock this whole time or are you intentionally pretending that propaganda doesn't exist?

I never heard any propaganda claiming 100% effectiveness of masks or vaccines.

Any reference to flat earthers in a debate is an obvious derailment only intended to delegitimise any statements made by your opponent, the same strategy used in media and government tomshut down discussion when threatened.

You claimed that science is never settled. If it's not settled then there must be some arguments for the earth being flat. Or do you agree that science is sometimes settled?

[–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

News update: Florida just sunk like the titanic, so maybe you can make some adjustments to your computer models.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sea level rise and the increase in frequency of high category cyclones are already certain and likely outcomes respectively, of global warming.

[–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah? Well NASA says that our world's oceans have risen 100 milliliters since the early 90's.

Maybe you can explain that to them.

[–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Technically, if the earth were not flat my weed would all fall off the edge of my rolling tray.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How do you feel about the existence of the luminiferous aether?

[–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nah, I don't play all that Satan bullshit.

Try that crap on someone else.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Satan?

Albert A. Michelson and Edward W. Morley were some kind of holy crusade?

Or are they the forces of Satan?

[–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, I looked up that bullshit and it doesn't seem likely that light can travel thru empty space, cuz there ain't no D cell batteries in space to make no light.

That's just plain old common sense.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Computer models are set to understand the climate.

Climate prediction models work on worst case scenario.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/5851667173001

Was it. Can you link me to this document?

Fauci's Mask Timeline

https://youtu.be/tRE59LJc6CA

I guess the science isn't always settled.

I never heard any propaganda claiming 100% effectiveness of masks or vaccines.

It's not my fault you live under a rock. If you read an echo chamber of scientific study, you will always reach the same conclusion.

If it's not settled then there must be some arguments for the earth being flat.

I've seen no flat earth argument that can't be refuted with simple science. That said, I personally have no physical way of observing the earth at any great distance other than to rely on that which is provided for us. That's not to say I refute the information given to us, I just find the idea of this being fraudulent unlikely. Whereas to claim carbon is causing global warming and that taxing it will make it all better, that has a likely scenario of making people rich.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Climate prediction models work on worst case scenario.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/5851667173001

The Cato Institute are one of the bodies heavily funded by fossil fuel and mining interests. In return they lie about climate change for the public.

The reality is that climate models have been about right. https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/

Fauci's Mask Timeline

No, the government policy document.

It's not my fault you live under a rock. If you read an echo chamber of scientific study, you will always reach the same conclusion.

No vaccine is 100% effective.

That said, I personally have no physical way of observing the earth at any great distance other than to rely on that which is provided for us.

That's not the only evidence. There's the different time zones, the way that the moon appears rotated depending on your latitude, and that different stars are visible. A flat earth would need some new theory of gravitation, which you'd need to supply. There's multiple lines of evidence, just like climate change.

Whereas to claim carbon is causing global warming and that taxing it will make it all better, that has a likely scenario of making people rich.

You're against science because it might change taxation policy?